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Okay...sorry for those who might be thinking I'm a pain in the butt...but...I think having good instructions up front is simply common sense.

Here's the instruction in question:

"Also you need to ensure that the UPak maps are in the Unreal/Maps/UPak folder, otherwise it won't find the necessary files and can't be installed."

I installed Unreal. Then I installed the Mission Pack (RTNP). Then I installed the "UnrealRtNPPatch.exe" patch. The mission pack installed to a completely seperate folder (c:\napali) whereas the original game installed to (c:\unreal). The c:\napali folder has a Maps\UPak folder with 4 ".unr" files outside the UPak folder. I would assume this is for a reason. The original game has only a Maps folder.

What about the folder and files for c:\unreal? Do I create a "Maps\UPak" folder and copy everything under Maps to the UPak folder or do I make sure to leave any files that match those found in the c:\napali\Maps folder outside the UPak folder?

On the other hand, when I installed the RTNP mission pack, should I have pointed the installation to c:\unreal or let it install as it did by default?

Try both if it will let you.

Assuming your reply was specifically about trying to install both Unreal and RTNP in the same location. RTNP gives a stark warning not to do that.

Now I just need an answer to the main question in my post regarding the map files.

Then try installing it to the same Location to be on the safe side.

Looking at the 227 FAQ I see a piece on installing 227. From the way the instructions are worded, I inferred (I shouldn't have to do that) it's unnecessary to set up a UPak folder under the "C:\Unreal" installation. The FAQ talks specifically about RTNP regarding the UPak folder existing but makes no mention it must also exist in C:\Unreal\Maps.

Okay...so...next point of confusion...installing the 227i patch.

When I run the patch is wants to put it in "C:\UnrealGold". If I point to "C:\Unreal" it says I must install UnrealGold first.

Are there any spelled out, specific, step-by-step, instructions for setting up this game or is that all privileged information? I'm sorry people but this is getting old (no pun intended).

Well, thing is, if you work all day with this stuff you naybe start to forget mentioning the obvious. Also there seem to be different versions of the RTNP, which makes it difficult to create a step by step tutorial.

The Unreal maps from classic install only need to be installed in c:\Unreal\Maps. This shouldn't be touched.
The maps from RTNP however need to me in a subfolder UPak inside this Maps directory (while in theory any map could be placed into one folder, but then the installer won't find the necessary files- but in any case a map should exist only one time in \Maps and subfolders of \Maps).

Thats meant with:
"Also you need to ensure that the UPak maps are in the Unreal/Maps/UPak folder, otherwise it won't find the necessary files and can't be installed."

The installer will probably accept the version if you point it to C:\Napali\ in your case. But then you'll miss probably the original Unreal maps and maybe even some textures and stuff.
Because whats missing here is indeed the fact that the installer expects both versions to be installed in the same folder, like UnrealGold did- from which RTNP gives you the warning about not to do (for whatever reason).

What a mess, I understand your confusion.

so ok...
your both installations have to be merged into one folder, the name of this folder doesn't matter. Lets assume its c:\Napali, in which the RTNP Gold patch installed. Copy from your C:\Unreal folder all stuff except System. Then try to apply the patch to C:\Napali.
The Unreal maps should be in C:\Napali\Maps and the RTNP content- except the 4 you mentioned in C:\Napali\Maps\UPak
The C:\Napali\System folder should contain aside the usual system files also UPak.dll, UPak.u as well as UDSDemo.u
Then the installer will run.

Once succeeded you can safely uninstall your other installation in C:\Unreal, as its not needed anymore from this point. 227 will manage both Unreal and RTNP in one installation.

Great! Thanks to all for the details. Sorry if I was getting short yesterday but I spent a good portion of it working on this install and the short answers and ambiguity on the website were getting to me. I actually deleted a few emails I started after I realized I was just venting and a little patience waiting for better answers would be better.

I really appreciate the help. And to Smirftsch...if you want me to help with supplying information on my installation experience for documentation I would be happy to do so.

Writing can be tricky...expecially if you are very familiar with a subject. It's easy to dismiss saying something important because you have reached a point for yourself where you take it for granted. That's why one of the rules for writing is, "consider the audience".

Okay...off the soapbox I go.

Well I installed both Unreal and RTNP per the instructions in the link provided by Hellkeeper.  I followed them to the letter.  Lastly I installed UnrealGold 227i. When I launched Unreal, it gave me a couple information screens about video and audio.  I accepted the defaults (openGL and openAL).  It did not give me the option of starting Unreal or RTNP.  After a few seconds, the Unreal logo and my desktop appeared in extremely low resolution and then came a BSOD.  I rebooted and tried again and got the same result.

I'm running WinXP Pro.  I have an X58 board, 8 gigs RAM, Intel i7 2.6 overclocked to 3.5 on air, Sound Blaster Live! 5.1+MP3 (this will be replaced next month with my Sound Blaster X-Fi Elite Pro once the new ZXR card is released and I install it in my Win7 box).  The graphics card is a BFG GTX 295.  I have all latest drivers on everything.

This is all I will do tonight.  It's getting late.  I appreciate anything anyone can suggest as to what to do next.  Thanks again folks!

Hey scrapser,

I've never tried doing a compound installation of Unreal and RTNP to create Unreal Gold, so I just tried it out and ended up getting it to work. I will write out in detail exactly what I did with the intention that it might help you, depending on your interpretation of the linked wiki's clarity. If you find this to be nothing but redundant, please understand I'm just trying to help.

01. Install Unreal to C:\Unreal
02. Patch Unreal with UnrealPatch226Final.exe found here.
03. Install RTNP to C:\NaPali
04. Patch RTNP with UnrealRtNPPatch.exe found on the same page.
05. Go to C:\NaPali with Windows Explorer
06. Select all files within C:\NaPali (Specifically Help, Maps, Music, Sounds, System and Textures)
07. RIGHT click on the selected folders and choose Send to > Compressed (Zipped) folder
08. This will create a zipped file in your C:\NaPali folder
09. Right click on this zipped file and extract it to C:\Unreal
10. Overwrite anything it asks
11. Download UnrealGoldPatch227i.zip from here and extract it
12. Run the UnrealGoldPatch227i.exe and when it asks, make sure the destination folder is C:\Unreal
13. Launch Unreal using Unreal.exe from C:\Unreal\System\Unreal.exe and choose OpenGL and OpenAL when it asks.
14. Once you're sure everything works, uninstall RTNP from Add/Remove programs then delete the C:\NaPali folder that's left over.

If it doesn't work, make sure you have all the latest drivers for your hardware and that Windows is fully updated using Windows Update. Note that it shouldn't ask whether to start Unreal or RTNP because with Unreal Gold, you can start either within the same game. If you're still not sure if you're combining them properly, you can buy Unreal Gold from Gog.com DRM free which might simplify things for you. Other than that, if it STILL doesn't work for you, all I can think of is some hardware incompatibility as Unreal, RTNP and Unreal Gold are all fully compatible with Windows XP.

If you have a BSOD, the problem most likely does not come from Unreal or your graphics settings, but a driver/hardware failure.

The game launches in low-resolution by default, so this is nothing bad. You'll change your resolution in the game later. As for choosing the game, it happens in the game when launching a new solo campaign, not on the white thingy where you select your graphic and audio drivers.

Considering your problem, I suggest updating your graphic card's drivers.

Writing can be tricky...expecially if you are very familiar with a subject.  It's easy to dismiss saying something important because you have reached a point for yourself where you take it for granted.  That's why one of the rules for writing is, "consider the audience".

How true...

Well I installed both Unreal and RTNP per the instructions in the link provided by Hellkeeper.  I followed them to the letter.  Lastly I installed UnrealGold 227i.  When I launched Unreal, it gave me a couple information screens about video and audio.  I accepted the defaults (openGL and openAL).  It did not give me the option of starting Unreal or RTNP.  After a few seconds, the Unreal logo and my desktop appeared in extremely low resolution and then came a BSOD.  I rebooted and tried again and got the same result.

I'm running WinXP Pro.  I have an X58 board, 8 gigs RAM, Intel i7 2.6 overclocked to 3.5 on air, Sound Blaster Live! 5.1+MP3 (this will be replaced next month with my Sound Blaster X-Fi Elite Pro once the new ZXR card is released and I install it in my Win7 box).  The graphics card is a BFG GTX 295.  I have all latest drivers on everything.

This is all I will do tonight.  It's getting late.  I appreciate anything anyone can suggest as to what to do next.  Thanks again folks!

Once the patch is applied, there is no difference anymore between UnrealGold and the merged version, so this can't be the cause.

You can select which version (Unreal or RTNP) you want to play then later in menu, there are no separate startup icons needed

So, to the problem:
Unreal acts badly if some overclocking is done. Is that the case maybe?
A BSOD really shouldn't happen there.

In the past when working with Unreal I often noticed that when there is trouble with crashes, its often the soundcards. Did you check your soundcard driver and OpenAL (www.openal.org) is the latest?
Ironically, although soundblaster is maintaining OpenAL nowadays, the older versions of their driver often caused BSOD's on my testsystem (in one case only a complete re-install of windows helped me to clean this up).
You could try to use FMod or startup with no sound to verify this assumption.

I'll answer the previous three posts here.

My installation steps are nearly identical to those outlined. The only differences were I did a cut and paste of the Napali folders (all 6 at once) and answered "Yes to all" when the overwrite prompt appeared. And I clicked on the Unreal icon on my start menu instead of the EXE in the system folder.

The driver for my graphics card is current so I think that is actually okay.

My suspicion right now is the soundcard. I bought it new off eBay. It had never been opened (still shrinkwrapped)and I used the driver off the included CD to install it. Creative has hardly any information available for the Live! series drivers and I didn't want to mess it up since it was working (albiet only with the OS). I know that driver is old.

I could go into great detail about the hardware on my three computers. But to make it short, I bought the Sound Blaster Live! 5.1+MP3 last year when I made my first attempt at building a Win98 computer. Since it was available I thought I could use it here. I guess I need to figure out what driver file I can find would update it properly and see if that fixes this issue.

Next month Creative is releasing their new Z series card and I intend to get one which will free up my X-Fi Elite Pro and I will transfer that to the WinXP computer. I update after I play around with things.

Thanks

I would just go buy the Anthology Version it saves you the hassle.

http://www.amazon.com/Unreal-Anthology- ... +anthology

I would just go buy the Anthology Version it saves you the hassle.

http://www.amazon.com/Unreal-Anthology- ... +anthology

You may be right even though I have Unreal, the expansion pack, and Unreal 2 (never got into the Tournament versions as I do not play games online...not interested).

Sorry I've been sidelined on this project. I received a used Gateway VX1120 22" monitor last night but unfortunately it has some sort of problem with the high voltage kicking in. I'm taking it to a shop to be analyzed.

I also found something online I never knew existed. A 24" Sony widescreen CRT monitor! It supports everything from Win98 on up. The guy wants a grand for it. Not sure if I'm that crazy...it's certainly tempting.

You don't have to Install the Unreal Tournaments if you don't want to. but if you use the Anthology Version it will Install both Unreal and RTNP all in the same Location and save you the Trouble.

Well I had a little time to play around with my computer setup.  The driver for the graphics card is current.  The "latest" driver I can find for the Sound Blaster card is 2002 (from Creative's support page).  All my other games that I've tried have no sound issues.  So perhaps the problem is with the overclocking.  I will try that next.  I really hope that's not the problem though.

One thing of interest that might provide a clue to someone here.  I uninstalled/reinstalled my sound card driver.  I ran Unreal and it crashed just like before.  But after rebooting, the sound on the computer is extremely faint and I could turn the volume to max and it would just about reach a "normal" volume level.  I uninstalled/reinstalled the driver once more but did not try running Unreal and the volume level has been restored.

that fits indeed very much my experience. This was this single case in which I reinstalled Windows (which I mentioned above). I made it somewhat work for quite some time then with the original driver CD, but a few months later I had trouble again. Not sure what it really was, but I bought a newer Audigy for a few bucks then and was happy again.

Merging Unreal and RTNP is absolutely enough and should work flawlessly.
No need for Unreal Gold and especially not for Anthology. I wouldn't expend a single cent for Anthology after what Legend did.

Have you tried to run the Game in Safe Mode? If the sound should really be the problem, it shouldn't occur in Safe Mode. Also checking the Unreal.log file can maybe give a hint.

No need for Unreal Gold and especially not for Anthology. I wouldn't expend a single cent for Anthology after what Legend did.

Uh, what? You're mixing something here...

Yes, as already has been written before. When you have Unreal1 and the RTNP expansion pack you can combine them together into one installation. Just copy the RTNP content over to Unreal1.
Then apply the 227 Gold Patch and you will get a full 227 Unreal Gold version.
It's not necessary to have UnrealGold or even this Anthology for it.

But what does all that have to do with Legend... But then this is probably not the thread to discuss that.

Ooops, sorry, think it wasn't Legend. My fault. I believe it was Midway. I've never seen this Anthology and I never will. Well, whoever released Anthology broke the online compatibility.

Yea, that's Midway, and as far as I know the issue gets fixed when 227 is applied anyway, as 227 replaces the affected files. And on older Windows there is always the Anthology patch that does that as well. So no cause for concern.