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Yes I know, it was already fixed long time ago, but that's not the point.
No one can tell me they didn't know what they were doing and they never fixed it. It was the community which did their job which is more than sad. They sold and sell a product for hard cash which they know, that it has an issue.
And Anthology is not the only one, similiar things also happened with other games. I for myself would never support them, with buying such a product.

Yes I know, it was already fixed long time ago, but that's not the point.
No one can tell me they didn't know what they were doing and they never fixed it. It was the community which did their job which is more than sad. They sold and sell a product for hard cash which they know, that it has an issue.
And Anthology is not the only one, similiar things also happened with other games. I for myself would never support them, with buying such a product.

It looks to me that they really had no idea what they were doing. They were told to replace all the instances of the old Epic Games logo with the new one, and they did exactly that.

And you no longer support Midway when you buy the Anthology... because Midway is bankrupt already.

And who distributes the Unreal franchise games currently? Microsoft? Epic themselves?

Does Midway hold the rights to the franchise or is that Epic?

And who distributes the Unreal franchise games currently? Microsoft? Epic themselves?

Does Midway hold the rights to the franchise or is that Epic?

The Anthology DVD is not distributed at all as far as I can tell. There are leftovers from when it was distributed by Midway, but I suppose that's it. The games themselves, however, are distributed digitally by distributors like GOG.com, Valve, GameStop etc. Epic themselves act as the "publisher".

And only Epic has, has had, and will ever have, the rights to the Unreal franchise. (Theoretically they could sell it, but the Unreal Engine is part of it.)

Midway is Bankrupt there is no way they can hold the rights to Unreal Franchise. And Epic is being LAZY and won't even make a Singleplayer Unreal game.

All I can say here is, that Epic made absolutely clear in my mails with them, that they won't do anything anymore with UEngine1, that's entirely past. No franchise, no licenses.

All I can say here is, that Epic made absolutely clear in my mails with them, that they won't do anything anymore with UEngine1, that's entirely past. No franchise, no licenses.

I can understand that they don't want to have their name associated with games made today with 15 years old technology. This is prefectly reasonnable, and there are free engines that are more powerful out there.

This being said, they'd be great lords if they released under GPL, like the old Quake engines.

All I can say here is, that Epic made absolutely clear in my mails with them, that they won't do anything anymore with UEngine1, that's entirely past. No franchise, no licenses.

They still own the franchise. It includes everything from Unreal to Unreal Tournament 3, and they definitely don't want to abandon the legacy of all of them. But of course they don't maintain them any more, too.

I think smirftsch meant they don't want to make a new franchise on the UE1 or sell it to someone to do it. Not that they're abandoning all franchises made with ue1.

Hey folks,
Sorry to have dropped off the radar the past couple weeks.  I have been busy trying to install my old games and deal with the various challenges each one introduces.  I'm not even close to being finished.  I've also had a few "revelations" about my hardware which ultimately solved many problems including getting Unreal 227i to run finally.

It was the soundcard!  The Creative Labs SB Live! 5.1 (model SB0220 specifically) is a piece of junk!  I found this out after having problems with other installs and finally stumbled upon a forum where the issues with this particular card are detailed.  Now I have done some soundcard juggling and my WinXP box is using the SB X-Fi Elite Pro.  Unreal runs like hot butter and looks amazing.  I have not had time to copy in the hi-res texture files yet but that should not be an issue.

Other problems I encountered were downloading driver files that ended up being infected, forcing me to have to reinstall my Win98SE box from scratch (twice).

BTW, I mentioned previously I found a Sony Trinitron 24" widescreen CRT monitor.  Well the guy had one that had less than 100 hours of use with all the goodies still factory wrapped.  He's totally legit and has been in the monitor business for 35 years.  I bought it and should have it in about a week.  It's being shipped with a declared value of $2000 so UPS is being very picky about the packing.  He had to buy a custom double wall oversized box to put the original box inside to protect it or they will not ship it.  It ships tomorrow.

I will be sharing it between my WinXP and Win98SE boxes.  I can't wait to see this monitor.  It has the reputation of being the best CRT monitor ever made.

I should say here I've been surprised more than once at how some of my old games have been ported so they can work on newer computers.  My Win98SE box will be used strictly for games that don't work anywhere else.

Yea, Creative is overall pretty bad when it comes to drivers, unfortunately. And yes, Win98, as it has been out of support for a while now, is an extremely easy target for viruses. It will be the same with XP in a few years. Generally you want to disable networking on unsupported systems like that.

Only can agree. Had many trouble in the past with creative labs drivers, although since I have my Audigy2 ZS it's working pretty flawlessly- and this is not really new anymore too

Well I copied in the extreme and high end textures. All I can say is...WOW! Unreal looks brand new! Extremely good job and my utmost appreciation to all who did the work. Thank you so much.

One last question. Do I delete the NaPali folder on my C drive or uninstall RTNP from the control panel? If I don't uninstall, it seems to me the program would remain in my Add/Remove Programs list.

I did try to uninstall by the way. But I received a message that Unreal was still running even though I had started Unreal 227 and then quit. I looked in Task Manager and saw the Unreal exe still listed on the Processes tab.

Thanks

Unreal.exe should not remain active. Kill it, then uninstall RTNP, since your other installation includes it. There should be an uninstall option in your control panel.

If you keep having this problem of Unreal.exe staying alive after you quit the game, then you have a problem.

Unreal.exe should not remain active. Kill it, then uninstall RTNP, since your other installation includes it. There should be an uninstall option in your control panel.

If you keep having this problem of Unreal.exe staying alive after you quit the game, then you have a problem.

Okay...I killed the Unreal.exe in Task Manager and uninstalled RTNP.  I then rebooted.  When I launch Unreal I now see the RTNP splash screen just as described in the merge instructions.  The game runs fine but I'm still seeing the EXE in Task Manager after I quit.

I followed the merge instructions exactly so I have no idea why this is happening.

Unreal not closing properly... I don't have a suggestion for this.

Okay. I'll try starting over from scratch...making sure the EXE is not active before reinstalling. All I can think is that I may have tried running Unreal before patching to 227 and that somehow left something behind that the rest of the install is corrupted by.

I tried a complete reinstall from scratch. I rebooted after each install (Unreal and RTNP) and patch application (official and 227i). I then uninstalled RTNP and reboot once more. Then I ran Unreal...played until I left the ship...saved and quit. The EXE is still active under Task Manager. I guess I'll just have to live with it unless somebody else knows what is happening and has a solution.

Thanks

Check your log after you exit it (both before and after you kill the process). Also see if typing "exit" (or is it "quit"?) in the console makes it turn off gracefully or not.

Check your log after you exit it (both before and after you kill the process). Also see if typing "exit" (or is it "quit"?) in the console makes it turn off gracefully or not.

I tried quitting from the console...no difference. The logs don't show anything that stands out for me. Is there something specific I should be looking at?

Yes, what part of the log is missing when the process is hung, as opposed to the full log that you should get once you kill it.

Yes, what part of the log is missing when the process is hung, as opposed to the full log that you should get once you kill it.

Below is the full log. I checked it immediately after exiting the game but before killing the EXE in Task Manager. I then killed the EXE and looked again...there is no update to the log.

One thing of interest...I discovered that Internet Explorer kept freezing until I killed the EXE.


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Log: Log file open, 12/07/12 17:42:08
Init: Name subsystem initialized
Init: Detected: Microsoft Windows 98 4.10 (Build: 67766446)
Init: Version: 227 Subversion: 9
Init: Compiled: Oct 28 2012 16:01:07
Init: Command line:
Init: Base directory: C:\Unreal\System\
Init: Character set: Unicode
Log: Bound to Engine.dll
Log: Bound to Core.dll
Log: Bound to Window.dll
Init: Object subsystem initialized
Init: Computer: DFIX58
Init: User: Sterling
Init: Memory total: Phys=2357356K Pagef=4163744K Virt=2097024K
Init: Working set: 32000 / 159000
Init: CPU Speed=3500.041143 MHz
Init: CPU Page size=4096, Processors / Cores=8
Init: CPU Detected: PentiumPro-class processor (GenuineIntel)
Init: CPU Features: CMov FPU RDTSC PAE MMX KNI
Log: Forcing Unreal to run on CPU 0
Log: 0.0ms Loading: Package Engine
Log: 16.0ms Loading: Package Core
Log: Checking package Core
Log: Checking package Engine
Init: Unreal engine initialized
Log: Bound to WinDrv.dll
Init: Mouse info: 6 10 1
Init: Initializing DirectDraw
Log: DirectDraw drivers:
Log: display (Primary Display Driver)
Init: DirectDraw initialized successfully
Init: Client initialized
Log: Bound to Render.dll
Log: 63.0ms Loading: Package Render
Log: Checking package Render
Init: Lighting subsystem initialized
Init: Rendering initialized
Log: LoadMap: EntryII.unr
Log: 63.0ms Loading: Package EntryII
Log: 63.0ms Loading: Package PlayrShp
Log: 63.0ms Loading: Package Detail
Log: Bound to Fire.dll
Log: 63.0ms Loading: Package Fire
Log: Checking package Fire
Log: 63.0ms Loading: Package GenIn
Log: 63.0ms Loading: Package Starship
Log: 63.0ms Loading: Package GenFX
Log: Bound to Emitter.dll
Log: 63.0ms Loading: Package Emitter
Log: 78.0ms Loading: Package UnrealShare
Log: Checking package Emitter
Log: 78.0ms Loading: Package genfluid
Log: 78.0ms Loading: Package UnrealI
Log: Bound to Editor.dll
Log: 94.0ms Loading: Package Editor
Log: Checking package Editor
Log: 94.0ms Loading: Package GenWarp
Log: 94.0ms Loading: Package Footsteps
Log: 94.0ms Loading: Package AmbAncient
Log: 94.0ms Loading: Package Skaarj
Log: 94.0ms Loading: Package Doorsmod
Log: 110.0ms Loading: Package Ambmodern
Log: Collecting garbage
Log: Purging garbage
Log: 7985.0ms Unloading: Package Render
Log: Garbage: objects: 11911->11910; refs: 147755
Log: Bringing Level EntryII.MyLevel up for play (0)...
ScriptLog: InitGame:
ScriptLog: Difficulty 1
ScriptLog: Remote Administration with Password
ScriptLog: Base Mutator is EntryII.Mutator0
Init: Initialized moving brush tracker for Level EntryII.MyLevel
Log: Browse: UPack.unr?Name=Player?Class=UnrealI.FemaleOne
Log: LoadMap: UPack.unr?Name=Player?Class=UnrealI.FemaleOne
Log: 8047.0ms Loading: Package UPack
Log: 8110.0ms Loading: Package NaliCast
Log: 8125.0ms Loading: Package NaliFX
Log: 8188.0ms Loading: Package GenEarth
Log: 8219.0ms Loading: Package SKYBox
Log: 8281.0ms Loading: Package AmbOutside
Log: 8313.0ms Loading: Package DoorsAnc
Log: 8344.0ms Loading: Package shanesky
Log: 8391.0ms Loading: Package shaneDAY
Log: 8406.0ms Loading: Package Liquids
Log: 8453.0ms Loading: Package flyby
Log: Bound to UPak.dll
Log: 8547.0ms Loading: Package UPak
Log: 8625.0ms Loading: Package Marine
Log: 8672.0ms Loading: Package UPakFonts
Log: 8703.0ms Loading: Package UWindow
Log: 8781.0ms Loading: Package UMenu
Log: 8844.0ms Loading: Package UBrowser
Log: Bound to IpDrv.dll
Log: 9000.0ms Loading: Package IpDrv
Log: Checking package IpDrv
Log: Checking package UPak
Log: Collecting garbage
Log: Purging garbage
Log: Garbage: objects: 12907->12891; refs: 204226
Log: Bringing Level UPack.MyLevel up for play (0)...
ScriptLog: InitGame: ?Name=Player?Class=UnrealI.FemaleOne
ScriptLog: Difficulty 1
ScriptLog: Remote Administration with Password
ScriptLog: Base Mutator is UPack.Mutator1
Init: Initialized moving brush tracker for Level UPack.MyLevel
ScriptLog: Login: Player
Log: Possessed PlayerPawn: FemaleOne UPack.FemaleOne0
ServerLog: All inventory from Player is accepted
Init: Input system initialized for WindowsViewport
Log: Opened viewport
Log: Bound to OpenGLDrv.dll
Log: Initializing OpenGLDrv...
Log: Enter SetRes()
Init: GL_VENDOR : NVIDIA Corporation
Init: GL_RENDERER : GeForce GTX 295/PCIe/SSE2
Init: GL_VERSION : 3.3.0
Init: Device supports: GL_EXT_bgra
Init: Device supports: GL_ARB_texture_compression
Init: Device supports: GL_EXT_texture_compression_s3tc
Init: Device supports: GL_EXT_texture_env_combine
Init: Device supports: GL_ARB_texture_env_combine
Init: Device supports: GL_EXT_texture_filter_anisotropic
Init: Device supports: GL_NV_texture_env_combine4
Init: Device supports: GL_EXT_texture_lod_bias
Init: Device supports: GL_EXT_secondary_color
Init: Device supports: GL_ARB_multitexture
Init: Device supports: GL_EXT_multi_draw_arrays
Init: Device supports: GL_ARB_vertex_program
Init: Device supports: GL_ARB_fragment_program
Init: Depth bits: 24
Init: AA samples: 4
Log: 4 Texture Mapping Units found
Log: MaxAnisotropy: 16
Log: Trying to use S3TC extension.
Log: MinLogTextureSize: 2
Log: MaxLogTextureSize: 13
Log: BufferActorTris: 1
Log: UseDetailAlpha: 1
Log: Bound to ALAudio.dll
Log: OpenAL: ALDEVICES found 1:GenericHardware
Log: OpenAL: ALDEVICES found 2:GenericSoftware
Log: OpenAL: ALDEVICES found 3:SBXFiAudio8F00
Log: OpenAL: Setting FMODOutput to DSOUND
Log: OpenAL: FMOD device found 0:PrimarySoundDriver
Log: OpenAL: FMOD device found 1:SBXFiAudio8F00
Log: 14531.0ms Loading: Package ALAudio
Log: Checking package ALAudio
Log: OpenAL: ALDevice 0, FMODOutput Enum 2, FMODDevice Enum 0, OutputRate Enum 5
DevAudio: OpenAL: rate 44100
Init: OpenAL: Selected ALDevice is: 0
Warning: OpenAL: Failed, trying (again) default device
Log: OpenAL: We are using OpenAL device: SB X-Fi Audio [8F00]
Warning: OpenAL: EFX Extensions found
Log: OpenAL: Check for EFX Version - OK

Init: OpenAL Audio subsystem initialized.
Init: Game engine initialized
Log: Startup time: 14.547000 seconds
Warning: FIREWALL: XP.SP2 FireWall Not Enabled
Warning: FIREWALL: Freed XP.SP2 Firewall Object
ScriptLog: Creating root window: UMenu.UMenuRootWindow
Log: 14860.0ms Loading: Package UWindowFonts
ScriptWarning: UMenuNewGameClientWindow Transient.UMenuNewGameClientWindow (Function UMenu.UMenuNewGameClientWindow.SkillChanged:0006) Accessed None 'SkillLabel'
Log: SetClientTravel: Vortex2?Difficulty=1 0
Log: URL: Adding default option Name=Player
Log: URL: Adding default option Class=UnrealI.FemaleOne
Log: Browse: Vortex2?Difficulty=1?Name=Player?Class=UnrealI.FemaleOne
Log: LoadMap: Vortex2?Difficulty=1?Name=Player?Class=UnrealI.FemaleOne
Log: 29882.1ms Loading: Package Vortex2
Log: 29946.1ms Loading: Package Mine
Log: 29976.1ms Loading: Package HubEffects
Log: 30026.1ms Loading: Package vrikers
Log: 30059.1ms Loading: Package TCrystal
Log: 30068.1ms Loading: Package Greatfire2
Log: 30075.1ms Loading: Package Male2Skins
Log: 30103.1ms Loading: Package Activates
Log: 30160.1ms Loading: Package Vortex
Log: 30182.1ms Loading: Package Male1Skins
Log: 30224.1ms Loading: Package Female1Skins
AdminAccessManager: Administrator Player logged out
Init: Shut down moving brush tracker for Level UPack.MyLevel
Log: Collecting garbage
Log: Purging garbage
Log: 33612.1ms Unloading: Package UPack
Log: 33612.1ms Unloading: Package NaliCast
Log: 33612.1ms Unloading: Package NaliFX
Log: 33612.1ms Unloading: Package GenEarth
Log: 33612.1ms Unloading: Package SKYBox
Log: 33612.1ms Unloading: Package shanesky
Log: 33612.1ms Unloading: Package shaneDAY
Log: 33612.1ms Unloading: Package Liquids
Log: 33612.1ms Unloading: Package flyby
Log: 33612.1ms Unloading: Package UPak
Log: 33612.1ms Unloading: Package Marine
Log: 33612.1ms Unloading: Package UPakFonts
Log: 33613.1ms Unloading: Package ALAudio
Log: Garbage: objects: 22569->21259; refs: 393629
Log: Bringing Level Vortex2.MyLevel up for play (0)...
ScriptLog: InitGame: ?Difficulty=1?Name=Player?Class=UnrealI.FemaleOne
ScriptLog: Difficulty 1
ScriptLog: Remote Administration with Password
ScriptLog: Base Mutator is Vortex2.Mutator2
Log: Spawning new actor for Viewport WindowsViewport
ScriptLog: Login: Player
Log: Possessed PlayerPawn: FemaleOne Vortex2.FemaleOne0
ServerLog: All inventory from Player is accepted
Init: Initialized moving brush tracker for Level Vortex2.MyLevel
Log: appRequestExit(0) Closing by request: QUIT
Exit: Preparing to exit.
Log: Purging garbage
Log: Unbound to Engine.dll
Log: Unbound to Core.dll
Log: Unbound to Window.dll
Log: 64334.0ms Unloading: Package Engine
Log: 64334.0ms Unloading: Package Core
Exit: Game engine shut down
Log: Unbound to WinDrv.dll
Log: DirectDraw End Mode
Log: Flushing cache
Exit: DirectDraw released
Exit: Windows client shut down
Log: Unbound to Render.dll
Exit: Lighting subsystem shut down
Exit: Rendering shut down
Log: 64336.0ms Unloading: Package EntryII
Log: 64336.0ms Unloading: Package PlayrShp
Log: 64336.0ms Unloading: Package Detail
Log: Unbound to Fire.dll
Log: 64336.0ms Unloading: Package Fire
Log: 64336.0ms Unloading: Package GenIn
Log: 64336.0ms Unloading: Package Starship
Log: 64336.0ms Unloading: Package GenFX
Log: Unbound to Emitter.dll
Log: 64336.0ms Unloading: Package Emitter
Log: 64336.0ms Unloading: Package UnrealShare
Log: 64337.0ms Unloading: Package genfluid
Log: 64337.0ms Unloading: Package UnrealI
Log: Unbound to Editor.dll
Log: 64337.0ms Unloading: Package Editor
Log: 64337.0ms Unloading: Package GenWarp
Log: 64337.0ms Unloading: Package Footsteps
Log: 64337.0ms Unloading: Package AmbAncient
Log: 64337.0ms Unloading: Package Skaarj
Log: 64337.0ms Unloading: Package Doorsmod
Log: 64337.0ms Unloading: Package Ambmodern
Init: Shut down moving brush tracker for Level EntryII.MyLevel
Log: 64349.0ms Unloading: Package AmbOutside
Log: 64349.0ms Unloading: Package DoorsAnc
Log: Unbound to UPak.dll
Log: 64349.0ms Unloading: Package UWindow
Log: 64349.0ms Unloading: Package UMenu
Log: 64349.0ms Unloading: Package UBrowser
Log: Unbound to IpDrv.dll
Log: 64349.0ms Unloading: Package IpDrv
Log: Resetting gamma
Log: Unbound to OpenGLDrv.dll
Log: Unbound to ALAudio.dll
Exit: OpenAL: Audio subsystem shut down.
Log: 65098.0ms Unloading: Package UWindowFonts
Log: 65098.0ms Unloading: Package Vortex2
Log: 65098.0ms Unloading: Package Mine
Log: 65098.0ms Unloading: Package HubEffects
Log: 65098.0ms Unloading: Package vrikers
Log: 65098.0ms Unloading: Package TCrystal
Log: 65098.0ms Unloading: Package Greatfire2
Log: 65098.0ms Unloading: Package Male2Skins
Log: 65098.0ms Unloading: Package Activates
Log: 65098.0ms Unloading: Package Vortex
Log: 65098.0ms Unloading: Package Male1Skins
Log: 65098.0ms Unloading: Package Female1Skins
Init: Shut down moving brush tracker for Level Vortex2.MyLevel
Log: Garbage: objects: 21375->0; refs: 393629
Exit: Object subsystem successfully closed.
Exit: Exiting.
Uninitialized: Name subsystem shut down
Uninitialized: Memory Allocation Status
Uninitialized: Curr Memory 2.274M / 0.246M
Uninitialized: Peak Memory 447.786M / 448.906M
Uninitialized: Allocs 4 Current / 776008 Total
Uninitialized: Log file closed, 12/07/12 17:43:13

Note that you should upload logs to http://pastebin.com in order to preserve space on the boards.

But this is interesting, does the time ("Uninitialized: Log file closed, 12/07/12 17:43:13") show the correct time of closing the game (and before you kill the process)? Overall it seems like it freed all the resources, but kept being a zombie process. Really odd, and suggests issues in the OS...

that's indeed kinda weird, it looks like it shuts down as intended. If the process still alive there must be something still keeping it there. Maybe try without sound using the -nosound option or with another sounddevice and another rendering device, just to see if it behaves any different. Also trying without antivirus could be worth the try. In any case I am not aware about any other system with this problem so far.