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I believe it's human tech. Skaarj troopers can carry multiple solutions, like we see in UnreaL, and the Skaarj received their DP shipment from the Vortex-Rikers/ISV-Kran stockpile at Dasa Mountain Pass.

Upgrades are dispersed (heh: "dispersed") throughout the region just like most human supplies, and may have been distributed by survivors or aliens alike. (up until Bluff we find humans to have survived at some point, while the upgrade at Velora end is obviously a trap) In my opinion, it is more arguable whether the automag is an alien weapon than the dispersion pistol.

A Person named Stratos Papadoudis said that exact same thing and it is Possible that the Humans bought the DPs from another Race but it doesn't make the DPs Human Technology and we know that the SkaarJ love to Steal Technology.

And I agree the Automag could also be a Universal Weapon cause we found a Automag after exiting the Vortex Rikers and we don't run into the Skaarj Troopers untill The Ruins. And the Skaarj Troopers also use Automags but they could have also stolen the Automags from the Humans.

In my opinion, it is more arguable whether the automag is an alien weapon than the dispersion pistol.

Skaarj never use automags and 849 finds them around human corpses. It's also the only weapon that uses a magazine, which sounds quite human to me.

Razorjack : obviously skaarj. The shape with bloody spikes gives it away immediately, it's barbaric and cruel, which sounds very Skaarj-like, and you see their troopers use them.
The stinger is found in the Skaarj's mines (dig is clearly Skaarj since they are the only one technologically advanced enough on Na Pali to build such things except for the Mercenaries which are focused on their own Terraniux base), it uses tarydium shards (sounds like shooting uranium bolts) and is used by Skaarj troopers around the planet : skaarj.

Given the location you find the Bio Rifle, it seems mercenary. They are the one processing tons of tarydium waste after all.

Dispersion pistol remains mysterious.

The minigun looks human. You don't see skaarj using it and it's way too cool and not sadistic enough to be theirs. It also doesn't match the mercenary machine guns. Yep, definitely humans.

The flak is mysterious too. Could be human, could be skaarj. Atrocious enough to be skaarj, efficient and classic enough to be human.

The Rifle could be both. It looks human with its wooden stock, but then again, it has spikes on its end and skaarjs use it.

my opinion on this:

dispersion pistol: human, it reminds me of the ASMD. it can also use the amplifier just like the ASMD. also the upgrades have yellow/black hazard tripes on it which is something you only see on human technology

automag: human.

stinger: skaarj, there are no human weapons that use tarydium in the game.

ASMD: human, it has human text on it.

eightball: skaarj technology seeing the mechanics.

flakcannon: human seeing the yellow/black hazard stripes on the sides of it. skaarj never have this.

razorjack: same reason as hellkeeper says.

gesbiorifle: same as hellkeeper once again.

rifle: i dont know to be honest.

minigun: uses same ammo as automag so most likely human.

Good point about the automag. That automatically transfers to the minigun, although: due to it's unconventional design it could be a alien research adaptation to use human ammunition.
Sniper is disputable indeed, same for flak.

The eightball is interesting, definitely alien as inscribed in Chizra; it came with the skaarj mothership. ASMD is also interesting. IN the manual there is sort of military mentioning of it.

my opinion on this:

dispersion pistol: human, it reminds me of the ASMD. it can also use the amplifier just like the ASMD. also the upgrades have yellow/black hazard tripes on it which is something you only see on human technology //this is a good point. Other than that you found your first exemplary in the Vortex Rikers and I couldn't hear the Skaarj use it. The Skaarj made use of its blades.

automag: human. //no doubt, you heard the people in the Vortex Rikers use it before getting killed, you found it next to corpses of more crew members, makes use of bullets... definitely human.

stinger: skaarj, there are no human weapons that use tarydium in the game. //true.

ASMD: human, it has human text on it. //and is stored together with masses of ammo in the ISV-Kran. Maybe technology invented by the Inuit Corporation?

eightball: skaarj technology seeing the mechanics. //also agree, the most famous exemplary is located in Chizra, ancient scripts mention it which means the Skaarj must have been there since long. Also, humans have their own classic rocket launcher as seen in RTNP. And seeing how overgrown the temple was, I doubt that humans crashed there at that time, otherwise they could have found out what's wrong with the planet earlier.

flakcannon: human seeing the yellow/black hazard stripes on the sides of it. skaarj never have this. //very good argument, also, it seems to be a modernized, more lethal version of a pumpgun, maybe that was the reason they didn't include the Quadshot? Anyway, Nali must have found it and stored it as a sacred weapon in the church tower, sounds plausible.

razorjack: same reason as hellkeeper says. //also thought that it is Skaarj given its shape.

gesbiorifle: same as hellkeeper once again. //agree, makes sense. Could possibly be Skaarj too if they had some technology exchange. As we can see, they seem to have some kind of pact with the Skaarj.*

rifle: i dont know to be honest. //seeing as Mercs have battlesuits, I put all weapons making use of bullets into the human shelve, it would make sense if Troopers just own it because they stole it.

minigun: uses same ammo as automag so most likely human. //not much to add to this other than it must have been found by Nali and hidden in the spire - once again for their messiah. And that it looks like a blender which is why I call it a blender. You can't neglect it, take a closer look!

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*Seeing as Terraniux is basically next to Rrajigar (just after Chizra to be precise), I believe they must have some pact with the Skaarj to deposit their tarydium waste. Of course they can't stand each other and kill themselves from time to time, but both parties profit from that. It would be a reasonable theory, so technically, it might be possible that the Skaarj invented the Bio Rifle and the Mercs own it now or that it is indeed a Merc weapon. It's hard to tell, I wish we could get to know more of the U-niverse.

@Trent Hawkins: I doubt it. It's just the future, that's all. Nobody saw a Minigun with such looks either I guess.

And now, please excuse me, it's time to blend the hell out of the Skaarj flesh on Na Pali! Time to make some Skaarj hamburgers!

Skaarj and mercenaries shoot each other on sight. I don't see why you would suggest they have any sort of truce. The first mercenary you find is dead at the foot of a skaarj. Terraniux is not close to the Skaarj mines, it's located between the Nali village of Harobad and the Nali temple of Vandora. It's pretty much Nalis all around and the Skaarj that are there when 849 visits do not look like they're doing policework to help the mercenaries. Also, the Terraniux has recently been under attack, given the destroyed walkway over the water. I don't see peaceful coexistence as part of the plan.

Finally, if the GES was a skaarj weapon, we'd find it in a skaarj place. We find it in the middle of the mercenaries's base, so the only logical assumption is that it's their's, not something made by their mortal ennemies during an hypothesised unseen, unmentioned and undocumented truce. At least that's my opinion.

I don't have an opinion onf the flak, the eightball and the rifle. Too weird. Everyone can use them, everyone does, and it looks like anyone could have made it, so there.

there is gesbiorifle ammo on the skaarj mothership.

but to be honest do i highly doubt the developers put any thought into this. they just made a nice setup to shoot aliens and came up with some nice weapons, putted it into a game and trew it into the stores. we could also talk for hours about the motivations of the demons in doom and why you could still find ammo in hell but the point its that doom is just a fun game to play with simple rules (shoot everything that moves).

unreal is not a whole lot different from that. the only difference is that there are creatures that help you that you are not supposed to shoot (altought most players still do this, but that is for other reasons ) and that translation messages give a little bit more depth into what the nali's are going trough. but the core gameplay remains the same. limiting the player in the weapon they could use would just ruins this.


i would, however, really like a game where this all comes together like it was done in portal 2. portal had a very simple story. it was until the second game where you get to know al the backstory and the main character. so it is not impossible to make a new unreal game where all the holes are filled in.

Actually Skaarj Officers use Automags but they also use alot of other weapons also.

"ASMD" = "And S*** My D***"? :-?

Actually, I believe it's a slightly less vulgar phrase :

Atomic and Subatomic Molecular Devastator

Sounds better that someone screaming ''Grab my And S* My D*** while I get back up to where U R '' on a server, don't it? ( even tho every1 one will say ASMD.)

Otherwise, I think that most of the weapons found in Unreal are of human origin, that is the DP, AM, STI, ASMD, FC, BR and SR. The Skaarj on this side of the solar system that NaPali is in probably raided a ship, either the ISV Kran, or another, analyzed how they're constructed and function, and then duplicated the weapons to reinforce the Skaarj Troopers that are in need of weapons on the planet's surface. The Razorjack and the 8ball are clearly both of Skaarj origin, as only their kin are actually capable of wielding any weapon with one hand. You'll notice that the UMS Rocket Launchers are capable of only 1-rocket-per-shot-fire, so it's clear that the 8ball is a brutal weapon that is used as a large, pistol-like weapon by the Skaarj Gunners.

The stinger was likely used by humans to drill out mines on other planets. It probably just happened to be among a set of weapons on the raided ship, and the Skaarj modified it to shoot the tarydium shards like a minigun. The original function, the altfire, still remains.

As for the GES Bio Rifle, I assume that the Mercs stole the one that their foes, the Skaarj, had already modified to shoot tarydium sludge. In all its liability, the GES was used by the humans to drain toxic sludge pools, but later modified to accept tarydium sludge only. That explains why such a seldom amount of Skaarj wield them : they failed to guard the main prototype, the Mercs destroyed the blueprints for it, and the Skaarj are now stuck with the ones that they already developed. As they were eager to use it, they had already shipped out several 25 kilo packs of tarydium sludge to various locations.

Damn, that was a bunch of typing...

Actually the Stinger is not a Human Weapon because We don't have Tarydium on Earth. also the Bio Rifle is a Merc Weapon.

Read the Trivia Section ASMD
http://liandri.beyondunreal.com/Shock_Rifle

Smarta$$, the humans can use the tarydium they already excavated on the other planets with decadent mining tools for the ''Stinger''. I prefer to call it the Tarydium Mining Utility or Tarydium Launcher

And Atomic Shock Mechanism Device could also be a word for the ASMD. Just as long as it isn't vulgar.

How do you know that the Liandri Mining Corporation existed during Unreal 1?

Read the part about the Brutes. The sound they make, it's explained in the trivia. This proves: The developers were not serious, probably that's why Unreal is so great. It was made with loads of fun and you can feel this love while playing it.

Also:
"The stinger was likely used by humans to drill out mines on other planets."
Actually, that's what the Impact Hammer was invented for, but various accidents gave Liandri the idea to use it as a weapon in the Tournament. Seeing as with impact jumps you damage yourself, I assume they have modified the Impact Hammer to be stronger than the original used in mining.

This is Also True the Impact Hammer was a Mining Tool. It is Possible that Liandri took the Stinger from the Skaarj or probably bought the Stinger from another Race because it was a safer Mining Tool because it didn't kill the user..

The Stinger is probably what started the Deathmatch.
Deep Space Miners getting Aggressive with each other and killing each other with the Stingers.


"In 2291, in an attempt to control violence among deep space miners, the New Earth Government legalized no-holds-bared fighting. Liandri Mining Corporation, working with the NEG, established a series of leagues and bloody public exhibitions. The fights' popularity grew with their brutality. Soon, Liandri discovered that the public matches were their most profitable enterprise. The professional league was formed; a cabal of the most violent and skilled warriors in known space, selected to fight in a Grand Tournament. Now it is 2341. 50 years have passed since founding of DeathMatch. Profits from the Tournament number in the hundreds of billions. You have been selected to fight in the professional league by the Liandri Rules Board. Your strength and brutality are legendary. The time has come to prove you are the best. To crush your enemies; to win the Tournament."

LMC didn't need to exist at that point, William R. The humans likely had a few side-corporations working for the UMS to dig in the NaPali system for Tarydium, and other valuable power sources.

Then it would have been after Unreal because the Skaarj still occupied Na' Pali after p849 escaped.

I said *other* planets in the NaPali system, the ones that were otherwise uninhabited and choc full of tarydium. I suppose.

you're telling me that it the skaarj didn't come to the idea to search surrounding planets for valuable tarydium even when they are at na pali for multiple generations? come on, for the skaarj it is like going to the shopping mall.

You never know. There just might be a few planets like that in the NaPali system. The Skaarj wouldn't take over EVERY planet they encounter, just the ones that offer resistance. I doubt that such a blood-thirsty species would claim uninhabited planets. Also consider the fact that the Skaarj come from a solar system close to NaPali's, one with more effective sources of power, which is to say hyper-compacted quantum-energy, which can regenerate itself by expanding slightly. The humans also find a far less efficient way to compact QE, just enough for the Dispersion Pistols.

BTW any1 notice that the Predators are similar to the Skaarj?
(aliens vs predator)

well the skaarj are at na pali for the tarydium. if they where there for killing nali there would't be any nali at the planet left by the time the player comes around. and yeah, i notices that the predator look very similair to the skaarj. i think that they where the inspiration for the skaarj.

BTW Na Pali is the only planet in the Gryphon system that is rich with Tarydium.

These kinds of discussions have come up frequently over the years on UnrealSp forums. I think what makes Unreal work is that it is so ambiguous in a lot of ways, with the player being largely in the dark. You never get to ask questions, and precious little is explained when Prisoner 849 leaves the atmosphere. You're just trying to get out.

There are obvious things I think most players can agree on, things like the automag being a human designed pistol and other weapons detailing human symbols having at least been handled by humans prior to confiscation. The bigger problem is that, as a video game, much of the placement of inventory in general in Unreal adhere's to 1990s shooter standards and maybe wasn't always put in the maps to make sense.

But I think it's safe to say that the DP was and is a weapon used by guards on the Vortex Rikers and is probably only wielded by the Skaarj Troopers to replace an unrealized Skaarj pistol left out by the designers.

Most of these Discussions are based on Lore and Scientific Analysis, so that we can understand what is going on in Unreal. The Developers gave us a Piece of Paper with Information but there is also alot of Information Missing on this Piece of Paper and we are trying to figure out what the Missing Pieces are.

While I agree that Unreal is a game typical for the 1990s shooters, one can find enough explanations why weapons were where you found them.

On top of that, the developers (at least some) did think about that. You found weapons at corpses, in some storage chambers, an old "artifact" in a temple being seen as the staff of the six flames (or whatever it was called), etc.. Compared to Doom where you found a chainsaw on a patch of grass and weapons on podests being presented like some trophy for the player, this is a huge move forward.