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[released] Old Soledad remake & Unreal 97 mutator
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[released] Old Soledad remake & Unreal 97 mutator
Title: Old Soledad remake & Unreal 97 mutator
Platform: 226
Authors:
Everything is by Yrex besides:
- Original resources by Epic Games
- Beta '98 DispersionPistol by Leo(T.C.K.)
- Original Soledad conversion by Leo(T.C.K.)
- Extracting some beta resources by Leo(T.C.K.)
- Some textures remapped to final UV maps by AlCapowned
- Some little fragments of code stolen from Shivaxi and .:..:
Screenshots:
https://sites.google.com/site/mojunreal ... Remake.jpg
https://sites.google.com/site/mojunreal ... lotine.jpg
https://sites.google.com/site/mojunreal/osr_krall.jpg
https://sites.google.com/site/mojunreal/osr_lift.jpg
https://sites.google.com/site/mojunreal/osr_napalm.jpg
Description:
This consists of two things that should be used together for best effect. The first one is a remake of Soledad based on the old screenshots. The second one is a mutator that makes the game behave more like the mid-late 1997 builds (0.867-0.88). It's not a faithful conversion of a particular build, but rather best stuff taken from each. This mutator will give you:
- beta HUD
- modified versions of all weapons - in particular Automag, Eightball gun, Napalm gun and Rifle
- beta monster skins, projectiles (eg. purple Skaarj projectile, Cannon bolt for Kralls) and sounds
- some item modifications (eg. ammo pickup sound, flare skin)
There's no official multiplayer support.
Also, you should play this on a CRT monitor in 640x480.
Download (v. 16):
Old Soledad remake
[url=http://unrealtexture.com/Hosted/Leo_T_C_K/newstuff/L97Beta/yrex/U97GameCX.rar]Unreal 97 mutator[/url]
[url=http://unrealtexture.com/Hosted/Leo_T_C_K/newstuff/L97Beta/yrex/U97HUDJCZ.rar]HUD fix for JCoopZ[/url]
Platform: 226
Authors:
Everything is by Yrex besides:
- Original resources by Epic Games
- Beta '98 DispersionPistol by Leo(T.C.K.)
- Original Soledad conversion by Leo(T.C.K.)
- Extracting some beta resources by Leo(T.C.K.)
- Some textures remapped to final UV maps by AlCapowned
- Some little fragments of code stolen from Shivaxi and .:..:
Screenshots:
https://sites.google.com/site/mojunreal ... Remake.jpg
https://sites.google.com/site/mojunreal ... lotine.jpg
https://sites.google.com/site/mojunreal/osr_krall.jpg
https://sites.google.com/site/mojunreal/osr_lift.jpg
https://sites.google.com/site/mojunreal/osr_napalm.jpg
Description:
This consists of two things that should be used together for best effect. The first one is a remake of Soledad based on the old screenshots. The second one is a mutator that makes the game behave more like the mid-late 1997 builds (0.867-0.88). It's not a faithful conversion of a particular build, but rather best stuff taken from each. This mutator will give you:
- beta HUD
- modified versions of all weapons - in particular Automag, Eightball gun, Napalm gun and Rifle
- beta monster skins, projectiles (eg. purple Skaarj projectile, Cannon bolt for Kralls) and sounds
- some item modifications (eg. ammo pickup sound, flare skin)
There's no official multiplayer support.
Also, you should play this on a CRT monitor in 640x480.
Download (v. 16):
Old Soledad remake
[url=http://unrealtexture.com/Hosted/Leo_T_C_K/newstuff/L97Beta/yrex/U97GameCX.rar]Unreal 97 mutator[/url]
[url=http://unrealtexture.com/Hosted/Leo_T_C_K/newstuff/L97Beta/yrex/U97HUDJCZ.rar]HUD fix for JCoopZ[/url]
Last edited by yrex . on Sun Jan 29, 2017 6:13 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: [227][released] Old Soledad remake & Unreal 97 mutator
Great.
I had fun betatesting this for you, though I guess I'll be surprised by some late changes you made to the mutator and all. This also compliments the new beta conversion project as I also planned a beta mutator for it but abandoned it in the end (though I made a third brute skin extra, I didn't check how you replace the three brute classes yourself).
Now it can be played with this mutator for similar experience.
EDIT: For 225 compatibility, the makecolor function doesn't exist there...
edit2: link removed because that wasn't the only problem, it crashes further on automag...
I had fun betatesting this for you, though I guess I'll be surprised by some late changes you made to the mutator and all. This also compliments the new beta conversion project as I also planned a beta mutator for it but abandoned it in the end (though I made a third brute skin extra, I didn't check how you replace the three brute classes yourself).
Now it can be played with this mutator for similar experience.
EDIT: For 225 compatibility, the makecolor function doesn't exist there...
edit2: link removed because that wasn't the only problem, it crashes further on automag...
Last edited by Leo T_C_K on Sat Oct 22, 2016 2:51 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: [227][released] Old Soledad remake & Unreal 97 mutator
There is a ton of scriptwarnings and such online and projectiles staying, not recommended to play with the mut online, but for some offline fine it's alright I guess. Though I wish it was tweaked a little more before release.
The map is all fine though except for a co-op stuck situation but otherwise the map works perfect.
EDIT: actually wasn't the case even. because I missed a dark corridor that was added in.
The map is all fine though except for a co-op stuck situation but otherwise the map works perfect.
EDIT: actually wasn't the case even. because I missed a dark corridor that was added in.
Last edited by Leo T_C_K on Sun Oct 23, 2016 8:53 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: [227][released] Old Soledad remake & Unreal 97 mutator
Sorry to spam, but the co-op problem with the map wasn't even there as there was a coop passage that I missed which is cool. Excep it was so pitch dark that I missed it...
But I really like this soledad modification, the feel of the screenshots from October 1997 was captured very well.
EDIT:
[img]http://images8.fotosik.pl/1862/1bd58a45f4fe9c12.jpg[/img]
This is from the original map. The attention to detail is amazing. I mean it really looks like yrex straight copied it from the map except it wasn't avaiable.
Unless yrex is hiding betas, but nah...
But I really like this soledad modification, the feel of the screenshots from October 1997 was captured very well.
EDIT:
[img]http://images8.fotosik.pl/1862/1bd58a45f4fe9c12.jpg[/img]
This is from the original map. The attention to detail is amazing. I mean it really looks like yrex straight copied it from the map except it wasn't avaiable.
Unless yrex is hiding betas, but nah...
Last edited by Leo T_C_K on Sun Oct 23, 2016 9:02 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: [227][released] Old Soledad remake & Unreal 97 mutator
lol.Also, you should play this on a CRT monitor in 640x480.
Thanks for your work!
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Re: [227][released] Old Soledad remake & Unreal 97 mutator
Btw just to let you know, CodeX is fixing the network issues with the mutator, we might release that separately here so people can play this online just fine, we also added the older nali tazer and dp meshes for authenticity. The filename will be changed, don't worry.
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Re: [227][released] Old Soledad remake & Unreal 97 mutator
Thanks for that, I wouldn't be developing it further anyway. I'm not that good at netcoding.Btw just to let you know, CodeX is fixing the network issues with the mutator, we might release that separately here so people can play this online just fine, we also added the older nali tazer and dp meshes for authenticity. The filename will be changed, don't worry.
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Re: [227][released] Old Soledad remake & Unreal 97 mutator
Its very close to release now. Many bugs were fixed mostly regarding animations that didn't play right etcetera and other tweaks. Also a separate file for jcoopz support of the hud was made....
I've done some uv mapping fixes on the old tazer/dp meshes mostly regarding the muzzleflash/steam textures. I tried to have the steam texture encompass the whole space like in the final asmd, which it didn't back then obviously when it was tazer. Now it has almost same uv maps like the original on slot 2(or whatever slot the steam was).
It seems I improved my skills a bit and started to understand uv mapping more in the process.
There's also a surprise in form of a secret item and it has been added via a mutator to the soledad map and the coop passage works better now too.
I've done some uv mapping fixes on the old tazer/dp meshes mostly regarding the muzzleflash/steam textures. I tried to have the steam texture encompass the whole space like in the final asmd, which it didn't back then obviously when it was tazer. Now it has almost same uv maps like the original on slot 2(or whatever slot the steam was).
It seems I improved my skills a bit and started to understand uv mapping more in the process.
There's also a surprise in form of a secret item and it has been added via a mutator to the soledad map and the coop passage works better now too.
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Re: [227][released] Old Soledad remake & Unreal 97 mutator
Okay here's the new release:
[url=http://unrealtexture.com/Hosted/Leo_T_C_K/newstuff/L97Beta/yrex/L97Soledad_Yoe15f.rar]UpdatedSoledad[/url]
Readme file is included, now for the main thing, the mutator.
So many things are changed and fixed, lemme give a quick list:
- Automag works as it did in the betas, no animation scriptwarnings anymore.
- Rifle has now the bayonet visible on first person mesh and can stab if closeup, not only that, it has a 'charge' functionality with amplifier on and deals more damage. Like CattleProds. These ideas come from BayonetRifle mod which I never released though this was executed by CodeX. I once figured out when studying how Rifle changed across the developement versions that the original version was to have a bayonet melee attack too.
- Nali uses the Beta Nali mesh which fits better with the old skin.
- Eightball uses different sound for the altfire.
- DispersionPistol and ASMD now use their older meshes, with uv maps remapped to fit some firetextures better.
- DispersionPistol shakes again like in 1998 and some sounds were added back. Don't worry the charge-light is still there.
- Many animation playback fixes.
- A new ASMDPowerup secret item. Yes, asmd/tazer was upgradable at some point though we don't have a build of Unreal currently in which this is the case. It used to be weapon number 0 and the last weapon you'd get in a game like BFG so it made more sense back then. When it became ASMD in November, all of this was most likely removed.
- Tentacle uses the proper projectiles now. While the betas had impalerbolt meshes shooting out of tentacle, there was a proper projectile mesh that didn't get used and was mapped to the old skin uv maps.
- Of course tested to work online properly.
- Krall has masked issues fixed for 227i.
- Works under classic Unreal/UT as well (though in UT might conflict with other mutators, this is not for oldskool specirficly)
[url=http://unrealtexture.com/Hosted/Leo_T_C_K/newstuff/L97Beta/yrex/U97GameCX.rar]U97GameCX.rar[/url]
Also a small fix for use with jcoopz hud as the original hud isn't allowed in it.
[url=http://unrealtexture.com/Hosted/Leo_T_C_K/newstuff/L97Beta/yrex/U97HUDJCZ.rar]U97HUDJCZ.rar[/url]
There is one problem when not running under 227 and that is the tentacle skin wont show being updated on the carcass, this could be only fixed with a replacement tentacle class or replacement carcass class (if people would want this). I did notice this before but it was forgotten about due to all the other fixes and problems and features.
[url=http://unrealtexture.com/Hosted/Leo_T_C_K/newstuff/L97Beta/yrex/L97Soledad_Yoe15f.rar]UpdatedSoledad[/url]
Readme file is included, now for the main thing, the mutator.
So many things are changed and fixed, lemme give a quick list:
- Automag works as it did in the betas, no animation scriptwarnings anymore.
- Rifle has now the bayonet visible on first person mesh and can stab if closeup, not only that, it has a 'charge' functionality with amplifier on and deals more damage. Like CattleProds. These ideas come from BayonetRifle mod which I never released though this was executed by CodeX. I once figured out when studying how Rifle changed across the developement versions that the original version was to have a bayonet melee attack too.
- Nali uses the Beta Nali mesh which fits better with the old skin.
- Eightball uses different sound for the altfire.
- DispersionPistol and ASMD now use their older meshes, with uv maps remapped to fit some firetextures better.
- DispersionPistol shakes again like in 1998 and some sounds were added back. Don't worry the charge-light is still there.
- Many animation playback fixes.
- A new ASMDPowerup secret item. Yes, asmd/tazer was upgradable at some point though we don't have a build of Unreal currently in which this is the case. It used to be weapon number 0 and the last weapon you'd get in a game like BFG so it made more sense back then. When it became ASMD in November, all of this was most likely removed.
- Tentacle uses the proper projectiles now. While the betas had impalerbolt meshes shooting out of tentacle, there was a proper projectile mesh that didn't get used and was mapped to the old skin uv maps.
- Of course tested to work online properly.
- Krall has masked issues fixed for 227i.
- Works under classic Unreal/UT as well (though in UT might conflict with other mutators, this is not for oldskool specirficly)
[url=http://unrealtexture.com/Hosted/Leo_T_C_K/newstuff/L97Beta/yrex/U97GameCX.rar]U97GameCX.rar[/url]
Also a small fix for use with jcoopz hud as the original hud isn't allowed in it.
[url=http://unrealtexture.com/Hosted/Leo_T_C_K/newstuff/L97Beta/yrex/U97HUDJCZ.rar]U97HUDJCZ.rar[/url]
There is one problem when not running under 227 and that is the tentacle skin wont show being updated on the carcass, this could be only fixed with a replacement tentacle class or replacement carcass class (if people would want this). I did notice this before but it was forgotten about due to all the other fixes and problems and features.
Last edited by Leo T_C_K on Fri Nov 18, 2016 9:22 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: [227][released] Old Soledad remake & Unreal 97 mutator
Nice, I like stabbing enemies with the new rifle.
And the fact that this works online will increase the potential number of users.
And the fact that this works online will increase the potential number of users.
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Re: [227][released] Old Soledad remake & Unreal 97 mutator
Would be nice to have a list from all files need to run this map ad home or on a server
Greets,
Rubie
Greets,
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Re: [227][released] Old Soledad remake & Unreal 97 mutator
Updated the Old Soledad Remake link to include the required files.
Also, you asked for all the files required to run the map, so here they are :
Also, you asked for all the files required to run the map, so here they are :
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Activates.uax
AmbAncient.uax
AmbOutside.uax
Core.u
Crypt2.utx
DoorsAnc.uax
Engine.u
Fire.u
FireEng.utx
GenEarth.utx
genfluid.utx
GenFX.utx
GreatFire.utx
GreatFire2.utx
HubEffects.utx
L97Soledad1.umx
Liquids.utx
UnrealI.u
UnrealShare.u
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Re: [227][released] Old Soledad remake & Unreal 97 mutator
Well this really looks fine good job, I did also reworked once Soledad (My Fav ) map as the version we did run on Newbies in the past was so weird I could not believe this was created so as nothing was light up correctly. I have only 4 things to say about this one and this is:
1. a part from the first lift after start does conflict with the other mover as you can see in the screenshot.https://www.dropbox.com/s/s8ws6ejro6v28 ... 9.png?dl=0
2. the Creatorfactory after krallsquish34 wont work with pupeas from standard sizes as the hole they need to be spawned into is to small.
3. End teleporter should be a bit further in the map so you can see the entry from next level.
4. at last I did started to play this map with 100Hp and no guns ended map with 100HP/Armor100/Shieldbelt and full ammo inventory so the level is for beginner or lower imo.
option to run this map on a server with monstermutators map should have Pathnodes hehe.
Greets,
Rubie
This is my opinion not want to say anything negative about the work that has been done !!!
1. a part from the first lift after start does conflict with the other mover as you can see in the screenshot.https://www.dropbox.com/s/s8ws6ejro6v28 ... 9.png?dl=0
2. the Creatorfactory after krallsquish34 wont work with pupeas from standard sizes as the hole they need to be spawned into is to small.
3. End teleporter should be a bit further in the map so you can see the entry from next level.
4. at last I did started to play this map with 100Hp and no guns ended map with 100HP/Armor100/Shieldbelt and full ammo inventory so the level is for beginner or lower imo.
option to run this map on a server with monstermutators map should have Pathnodes hehe.
Greets,
Rubie
This is my opinion not want to say anything negative about the work that has been done !!!
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Re: [227][released] Old Soledad remake & Unreal 97 mutator
1, 2, 3, pathnodes: fixed.
4: Making this map harder wasn't the goal of this project.
Thanks for the feedback anyway.
4: Making this map harder wasn't the goal of this project.
Thanks for the feedback anyway.
Last edited by yrex . on Mon Nov 21, 2016 10:16 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: [227][released] Old Soledad remake & Unreal 97 mutator
I must say this topic has been treated really fair and I appreciate this a lot, this is the way I like it and maybe I should post more the jobs I'm occupied with on the forum
I like discussion if it leads to a solution that is positive for everyone, I know everything depends on different taste from players but this is not realistic and I'm glad I did not seen this in this topic (you can't create a map that everyone loves!).
This remake from SOLEDAD is awesome good !
Thank You Guys!
Rubie
I like discussion if it leads to a solution that is positive for everyone, I know everything depends on different taste from players but this is not realistic and I'm glad I did not seen this in this topic (you can't create a map that everyone loves!).
This remake from SOLEDAD is awesome good !
Thank You Guys!
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Re: [227][released] Old Soledad remake & Unreal 97 mutator
Can't stop but replayin' it.
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Re: [227][released] Old Soledad remake & Unreal 97 mutator
Played as intended!
And the mutator, it's like the 1997 beta, but with the final's updated engine.
[smiley=tekst-toppie.gif]
Is there more?
SO MANY PUPAE
lol, the screenshots are so bright
Just finished the level. It's great!Also, you should play this on a CRT monitor in 640x480.
And the mutator, it's like the 1997 beta, but with the final's updated engine.
[smiley=tekst-toppie.gif]
Is there more?
SO MANY PUPAE
lol, the screenshots are so bright
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Re: [227][released] Old Soledad remake & Unreal 97 mutator
No, there's nothing (released) of that scale.
These are the only actual 1997 maps we have (they are only conversions, not remakes):
http://unrealtexture.com/Hosted/Leo_T_C_K/newstuff/Aug97conv.rar
http://unrealtexture.com/Hosted/Leo_T_C_K/newstuff/Sep97mapconv.rar
http://unrealtexture.com/Hosted/Leo_T_C_K/newstuff/Found98_88f.rar
These are the only actual 1997 maps we have (they are only conversions, not remakes):
http://unrealtexture.com/Hosted/Leo_T_C_K/newstuff/Aug97conv.rar
http://unrealtexture.com/Hosted/Leo_T_C_K/newstuff/Sep97mapconv.rar
http://unrealtexture.com/Hosted/Leo_T_C_K/newstuff/Found98_88f.rar
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Re: [released] Old Soledad remake & Unreal 97 mutator
Plus the conversions of the controversial version "98". Though whatever the case I believe it to be a version originally leaked alongside the "99" version.
Since there was the story about the version with undeleted files and all and who knows, perhaps someone used the same dlls from the later version since corruption and all.
Something similar I think happened in practice with one of the Quake leaks, but even though one of the releases was shunned, it still appears in collections/archives. With this version of Unreal it doesn't happen exactly the same (and to be honest the oldest leaks weren't found until recently again so practically no-one kept it).
Then we have lost-but-once-avaiable stuff like the Unreal Developer Levels pack and the index.unr for the multiplayer lobby that was only avail during 1998 on not unreal website, but website of epic themselves.
Archiving of files for Unreal was in disaster following the initial collapse of the community around 2000. Even some mods from the day are still lost like the original unreal 2d (i know there were later mods of that name though which practically did the same thing but original is original) or later versions of conquer the base or the capture the cow game as whole.
Since there was the story about the version with undeleted files and all and who knows, perhaps someone used the same dlls from the later version since corruption and all.
Something similar I think happened in practice with one of the Quake leaks, but even though one of the releases was shunned, it still appears in collections/archives. With this version of Unreal it doesn't happen exactly the same (and to be honest the oldest leaks weren't found until recently again so practically no-one kept it).
Then we have lost-but-once-avaiable stuff like the Unreal Developer Levels pack and the index.unr for the multiplayer lobby that was only avail during 1998 on not unreal website, but website of epic themselves.
Archiving of files for Unreal was in disaster following the initial collapse of the community around 2000. Even some mods from the day are still lost like the original unreal 2d (i know there were later mods of that name though which practically did the same thing but original is original) or later versions of conquer the base or the capture the cow game as whole.
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Re: [released] Old Soledad remake & Unreal 97 mutator
As much as I love this mod, I kinda wish it was possible to resize the Hud for widescreen.
Other than that, I love how it shows an items charge in a numerical value, Really handy.
Other than that, I love how it shows an items charge in a numerical value, Really handy.
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Re: [released] Old Soledad remake & Unreal 97 mutator
Fixed download links:
Old Soledad remake
Unreal 97 mutator
HUD fix for JCoopZ
BTW, as of writing this, the most complete "late '97 Unreal" experience can be found on a server called Carnivále - Unreal Beta Test Server.
Old Soledad remake
Unreal 97 mutator
HUD fix for JCoopZ
BTW, as of writing this, the most complete "late '97 Unreal" experience can be found on a server called Carnivále - Unreal Beta Test Server.
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Re: [released] Old Soledad remake & Unreal 97 mutator
It's nice to see that the appeal to the heritage of Unreal alpha and beta versions is becoming more and more popular