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Re: [RELEASED] Unreal HD Skins [UT] [227]
Reply #285 - Nov 9th, 2016 at 11:48pm
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dustinechoes849 wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 11:03pm:
Lightning_Hunter wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 7:39pm:
Leo T_C_K wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 7:36pm:
They seem to have the high res skins its just the rendering he's using I think or config.


Must be.  They appear to be converted to 256 colors.  dustinechoes849, what drivers are you using?


tried opengl, d3d9, and d3d8, all looked like that.
227i with almost untouched config
modern nvidia gpu, 1280x1024 monitor

Noticed it didn't look as good as the mod screenshots.


Can you post your Unreal.ini file?  If you can't upload it somewhere, then I at least need all the settings under "[WinDrv.WindowsClient]", as well as everything under "[D3D9Drv.D3D9RenderDevice]"


  

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Reply #286 - Nov 10th, 2016 at 9:43am
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Works well for me! Tweaked out .ini, extreme end textures and it looks sweet! Thank you!
  
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Reply #287 - Nov 10th, 2016 at 2:04pm
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Hyper wrote on Nov 9th, 2016 at 9:33pm:
Yes, that was my complaint. But it is fine. it is your project and I read that your choices are well-thought over and therefore I respect them. You can't please everyone.

I understand your point Hyper and I see things your way too. The problem is that LH is a fantastic textural artist but not really a coder. The way the mod is made isn't how I would do things and I'm currently in the process of rewriting it (with LH's permission).

I moved away from spawnnotify and instead split the textural replacements into two sections:
PostBeginPlay- for all the textures that will only be replaced once and don't need to be revisited. Things like trees, decorations, etc that remain static throughout the map's life.
Timer- All the actors that may come in and out of existence as the map is played. Gibs, projectiles, etc. are examples.

Also I'm adding the ability to turn off sections of the replacements if it causes lag. You'll be able to decide if you want to replace the gib textures or not, projectile textures or not, things like that that would cause lag pockets by having to replace a bunch in a really short time.

The upside to all this is that you'll have a package that can be placed on a server and everyone can enjoy it. Well, once the download the 500MB redirect package lol but that's just unavoidable and it's worth it with the final result.

I'll try to have this done by Christmas but I'm not doing the best lately. I get one or two days a week that I feel good enough to work on this so it's slow going but it is something I'm committed to doing for LH.
  

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Re: [RELEASED] Unreal HD Skins [UT] [227]
Reply #288 - Nov 10th, 2016 at 5:34pm
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Thanks for the reply Gopostal; I do appreciate your continuing work.  However, Hyper is actually on a different page than us.  He mentioned online support, but that was not the focal point of his post, nor was it what irked me.  He wanted us to release this pack without a mutator at all, and instead replace system files (UnrealShare and UnrealI.u).  According to him, the mutator was the wrong solution and too difficult to use, even after all the coding we (mostly Yrex) did to create an extremely simple and easy-to-use mutator.  I was annoyed, because we did all that coding just to make the fans happy!  I heard no comments from anyone during the entire 9-month long process in which people preferred replacing system files over a mutator...  If I had heard such comments, I would have re-considered how to do the project.  Anyway, I will drop this subject now, because everyone else seems happy so far with the choice that was made.
  

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Re: [RELEASED] Unreal HD Skins [UT] [227]
Reply #289 - Nov 10th, 2016 at 10:43pm
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Well, I made several attempts to propose the idea to get this integrated into future Unreal 227 builds and with that I meant replacing the low-res stock textures with these highres ones.

For now I changed my Unreal.ini to add the mutator to Unreal.unr and it works for offline use. But in reality, I only play online. Online a mutator will probably never work because allowing client-side mutators would be a big invitation to cheaters to create client-side mutators like radars.

Therefore I considered an update to the Unreal core files as only real viable solution. But again, that is just my opinion.
  
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Reply #290 - Nov 11th, 2016 at 12:03am
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Hyper wrote on Nov 10th, 2016 at 10:43pm:
Well, I made several attempts to propose the idea to get this integrated into future Unreal 227 builds and with that I meant replacing the low-res stock textures with these highres ones.


The problem I can see with that is the filesize increasing to over 500MB for a patch.  That might put some people off.  Also, the high-res skins would have to be mandatory, otherwise it would cause package mismatch errors for the people who disabled the skins versus the people who enabled them (different filesizes).  I don't know if that can be fixed with 227 via coding or not, but I don't think everyone would be happy with mandatory high-res skins (some systems might even struggle with them).

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For now I changed my Unreal.ini to add the mutator to Unreal.unr and it works for offline use. But in reality, I only play online. Online a mutator will probably never work because allowing client-side mutators would be a big invitation to cheaters to create client-side mutators like radars.


Well, that is an entirely different story - because I never geared this pack toward online use anyway (like most of my projects).  I only got annoyed at you because you made it seem as if I failed with this release both offline and online, when this project was never meant for online use.  It was kind of an insult, seeing as how I spent so much time preparing this release for people to enjoy in SinglePlayer while allowing them to still play online without swapping files.

Also, I understand that a mutator might create new doors for cheaters, but wouldn't high-res skins on a server create an unrealistic demand for people who want to join?  They would have to download 500MB of skins from the server.  If Gopostal finds a solution to this, then that would be great - but I'm not even sure this pack will ever be suitable for online use!
  

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Reply #291 - Nov 11th, 2016 at 3:06am
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Don't get your feelings hurt brother. Anything you make for this game has to be done with the understanding that you did it because it was fun for you to make. Never expect anything will ever get used and that there will always be criticism of your work. It's just always that way. Expect nothing and you won't be disappointed. It doesn't mean the community is full of dicks, it just means that it's rare for someone to be anywhere near as invested as you are with what you are doing.

Also people have a specific set of needs and they filter everything through those needs. I understand Hyper's line of questions because I too have almost no interest in offline usage of anything. It all goes on my server and anytime I want to play I just hop on there and get my fill. If this wonderful texture pack never works online then it's usefulness to me drops significantly. Doesn't mean your work isn't stellar (it certainly is) it just means it isn't a tool that fits into my toolbox.

And let's not get things incredibly twisted up concerning cheating and this mod. It's not any more or less secure than anything else running as a server mutator. You can run this with no added risk than you already have. Personally I think altering existing system files is a terrible idea, this is tailor made for use as a standard texture swap mod. It just happens to be really big.

This is for sure going to be running on my server by New Years.
  

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Reply #292 - Nov 11th, 2016 at 4:17am
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gopostal wrote on Nov 11th, 2016 at 3:06am:
Don't get your feelings hurt brother. Anything you make for this game has to be done with the understanding that you did it because it was fun for you to make. Never expect anything will ever get used and that there will always be criticism of your work.


Constructive criticism I don't mind.  It is only when someone bashes something without any suggestions that I dislike.  Hyper's first post fits in this category.  If he had simply said something like, "Would it be possible for you to release an online version with replacement system files?", then I would have answered very respectfully.  Heck, I would even be considering it right now as we speak.  I have fulfilled many such requests in the past.  It was only his huge font and non-respectful manner of degrading the release that got me going.  But anyway, I forgive him, and apologize for any rudeness on my own behalf.

In general, I think I have proved that I take constructive criticism very well.  I don't think there was a single request in this thread that I did not pay attention to.  I did dozens of changes to the skins to make sure everyone was happy.  The entire mutator was coded in order to keep people happy (and I have to thank Yrex and everyone else for allowing this to be possible).   I actually would have just replaced system files if I were only making this for myself!

All I ask is that people make requests respectfully.  That is all.
  

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Reply #293 - Nov 11th, 2016 at 5:28pm
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Btw, it's a myth that a package will always cause mismatches. 227i has that removed already, but for classic versions there is something called package conform and any mod can use it, you just need to use it carefully. It will make the package compatible like happens with official patches etc.
  

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Reply #294 - Nov 14th, 2016 at 4:50am
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Got it working on my PC! Cheesy
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https://mega.nz/#!31EjERxJ!Aa2KV2Yt3ygEnvTEmZM7HJMMTvrg_JdbXWZDkulAtiw
  


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Reply #295 - Nov 14th, 2016 at 6:11am
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dustinechoes849 wrote on Nov 14th, 2016 at 4:50am:


Nice!  Thanks for the screenshot. 

What fixed it?  I would really like to know in case someone else has problems.  I can mention the solution on the Moddb page.
  

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Reply #296 - Nov 15th, 2016 at 2:23am
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Messaged you LH about this but I'll add it here also: I'm pretty close to done with the online version of this mod. I'm at the server testing point so I'll be doing that Wednesday. If that goes as I think it will, I'll post it up to LH to test/release/change as he sees fit.

I didn't use spawnnotify for any of the checks. Instead I went with a first-pass then timer periodically looks for any current needed changes. Overall it's fast enough because I flag every actor that gets checked so it won't be rechecked. This makes the first pass check slow but after that each check runs much faster.
  

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Reply #297 - Nov 15th, 2016 at 3:50am
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Lightning_Hunter wrote on Nov 14th, 2016 at 6:11am:
dustinechoes849 wrote on Nov 14th, 2016 at 4:50am:


Nice!  Thanks for the screenshot. 

What fixed it?  I would really like to know in case someone else has problems.  I can mention the solution on the Moddb page.


I...I don't know. It just randomly started working.

edit: btw, you should totally add the screenshot to the mod screenshots in the post Cheesy
  


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Reply #298 - Nov 15th, 2016 at 4:16am
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gopostal wrote on Nov 15th, 2016 at 2:23am:
Messaged you LH about this but I'll add it here also: I'm pretty close to done with the online version of this mod. I'm at the server testing point so I'll be doing that Wednesday. If that goes as I think it will, I'll post it up to LH to test/release/change as he sees fit.

I didn't use spawnnotify for any of the checks. Instead I went with a first-pass then timer periodically looks for any current needed changes. Overall it's fast enough because I flag every actor that gets checked so it won't be rechecked. This makes the first pass check slow but after that each check runs much faster.


Thank you for all your hard work!  Although I don't play online, I know there are a lot of people who will appreciate your work with a stable online version.  Looking forward to testing it. Smiley


dustinechoes849 wrote on Nov 15th, 2016 at 3:50am:
I...I don't know. It just randomly started working.

edit: btw, you should totally add the screenshot to the mod screenshots in the post Cheesy


Done.   Wink
  

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Reply #299 - Nov 15th, 2016 at 11:15am
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Well, I have to say that with these excellent skins, DieHard's HD textures and Shivaxi's HD weapons, Unreal is now all tarted up!

No big deal getting things working. I used the oldunreal UI to start a new game, enabled the mutator...done and dusted. Easy.

Again, it looks really sweet. Great work on the skins LH...much appreciated. I'll put up some screenshots soon.
  
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