Upcoming Unreal Alpha and Beta versions release

[[]KAOS[]Casey]

Never knew, I did find a link for it somewhere but it was dead.

[GreatEmerald]

GreatEmerald you dont post in forums about betas till you have them in hand and ready to be downloaded.

I'm just doing what I'm told Beta holder said that it's fine, so here you go. And I still believe we will get permission, as, again, I don't see why we shouldn't. But don't start the war about that again...

[+SanguineRose+]

This thread seems like a bunch of 3 year olds whining about who's toy tonka truck is bigger.

[DaveAnd]

This thread seems like a bunch of 3 year olds whining about who's toy tonka truck is bigger.

Agreed

and mine's an m3000

[SkaarjSlayer]

Again, Casey you are wrong. There is shareware version which was bundled with creative sound cards, sound blasters.

I have the CD with the drivers still, etc. It came with them together, I am surprised you don't know about it.
And actually, you can even patch the shareware version, it will confirm it as normal Unreal.

And the shareware version is downloadable as well on some sites.

I actually have to agree with Leo on this one, I have the exact same shareware version of Unreal that came bundled with my Creative Soundblaster sound card many many years ago. It's 2 things on one CD, 1 half is dedicated to the Unreal shareware version and the other is dedicated to the drivers for the sound card. There is no real difference, Unreal shareware IS Unreal, but only with a few levels and so consequently it only has the files it needs to run those levels and that's it. All other music/sound/texture files not used in the first several levels of the shareware do not come with it, simple as that. If you had those missing files and added them to the directories, shareware would work as a full version of Unreal.


About the alphas and betas of Unreal that are coming to release, it would be nice if we had the legal authority to release these alphas and betas of Unreal. However, I would ask people to keep whatever storyline content found in these alphas and betas to remain non-canonical. I mean, they must've kept these storyline contents out of the final release of Unreal for a reason and there must be a reason we only found out about this 11 years later. I'd say its quite interesting to know what Epic was THINKING of doing for Unreal, but I also think that we should keep whatever story content in these alphas and betas to remain as such.

Not that I'm dictating you people how to breathe and act, just saying that though most people believe Prisoner 849 to be female.. Unreal gave you the choice to be whatever gender you chose. This fact is supported by Unreal: Return to Na Pali, which provided female AND male voices when Prisoner 849 does his computer logs. Not only that, translator messages in RtNP that pertain to Prisoner 849 talk about him/her without a specification of gender. The only translator message in the game that hints at Prisoner 849's gender is a translator message in Bluff Eversmoking which could've very well been a storyline flaw they overlooked when they released the game. Besides, the idea of Prisoner 849 being a Skaarj Hybrid is kind of making the story a little more bizarre and out of place.

What I'm basically trying to say is that these are the alphas and betas of Unreal. Whereas I have no objections to those who want to port new pawns into the game (port away, that's some cool sh!t), I think anything pertaining to the story should be well left alone.. it wasn't included in the final release of Unreal for a reason and I'd hate to see the Unreal story get ruined.

[[§Ŕ] ŤhěxĐâŕkśîđěŕ]

This thread seems like a bunch of 3 year olds whining about who's toy tonka truck is bigger.

That is EXACTLY what I wanted to say. I don't know which of them is worse...

Also, I'd rather play the alphas and serve a couple of years than bother with pornographic feces called law. There's a new law made in my country today regarding health system and I don't like it. Have sex with the government and have sex with their feces. I'm just sick of that bull intestine excrement.

(Replace the words in bold with f*ck and sh*t, I'm trying to curse less lately.)

EDIT: Yay page 5. So what?

[KillerSkaarj]

Still, it's good to finally know Prisoner 849's name.

Maylia Simonyéz Fitzgerald... wait, that sounds like an Irish/Scottish name! (I say Irish/Scottish because I always confuse the two)

[[§Ŕ] ŤhěxĐâŕkśîđěŕ]

Still, it's good to finally know Prisoner 849's name.

Maylia Simonyéz Fitzgerald... wait, that sounds like an Irish/Scottish name (I say Irish/Scottish because I always confuse the two)

That means that, in the beta, there was only one gender "available".

Also imo Maylia sounds ancient, Simonyéz sounds Latin and Fitzgerald sounds German.

[[§Ŕ] ŤhěxĐâŕkśîđěŕ]

Also people wtf, games are meant to be played, to have fun, not to make flame wars over them. You're all so immature. >:

[Leo T_C_K]

The information Great Emerald provided may be inacurrate at some points, at all he didn't play these beta and alpha versions.
The Unreal 2 info sounds believable, but this is kinda different story, maybe he is confusing it over with ut betas or what (since UT bonuspack has skaarj hybrids)...
Hard to tell..

[GreatEmerald]

About the story being non-canon... Well, in a sense, it makes sense; however, I believe that flaws in the Unreal history should be patched, because after all betas are still official content. Sure, if a fact is conflicting with another one that is in a full release of a game, then the full game fact should be used.

For me, Simonyéz sounds Spanish and Fitzgerald sounds Scottish (because of Fitz).

All the info I posted I got from the beta holder. Sure, there might be some mistakes, after all, 11 years passed.

[SkaarjSlayer]

Sure, there are some holes that need to be fixed.. but if the game allows you to choose your gender, Prisoner 849's name cannot be Maylia for that is obviously female which states that Prisoner 849 IS definitely female which is untrue.

That name is given as the name of the main character in the BETA and NOT the final release. Therefore canonically, it is not Prisoner 849's name.

[Hellkeeper]

Sure, there are some holes that need to be fixed.. but if the game allows you to choose your gender, Prisoner 849's name cannot be Maylia for that is obviously female which states that Prisoner 849 IS definitely female which is untrue.

That name is given as the name of the main character in the BETA and NOT the final release. Therefore canonically, it is not Prisoner 849's name.

There has never been any knowledge about P849 in the game, but the default character is female. As far as canon goes for Unreal, that's enough. (I guess)

[SkaarjSlayer]

Sure, there are some holes that need to be fixed.. but if the game allows you to choose your gender, Prisoner 849's name cannot be Maylia for that is obviously female which states that Prisoner 849 IS definitely female which is untrue.

That name is given as the name of the main character in the BETA and NOT the final release. Therefore canonically, it is not Prisoner 849's name.

There has never been any knowledge about P849 in the game, but the default character is female. As far as canon goes for Unreal, that's enough. (I guess)

That means nothing.. what if Prisoner 849 was female but the default character was male? Where would your god be now?

lol, my point is that in Unreal they give you the choice, in RtNP they give you the choice and even go one step farther in providing both female AND male voice packs as well as being non-specific about Prisoner 849's gender in both the intro of RtNP as well as multiple translator messages that mention Prisoner 849.

[GreatEmerald]

Though it should be mentioned in the wiki anyway, because it's valuable info.

[Hellkeeper]

That means nothing.. what if Prisoner 849 was female but the default character was male? Where would your god be now?

lol, my point is that in Unreal they give you the choice, in RtNP they give you the choice and even go one step farther in providing both female AND male voice packs as well as being non-specific about Prisoner 849's gender in both the intro of RtNP as well as multiple translator messages that mention Prisoner 849.

OMG YOU ARE RIGHT ! My FAITH IS GONE !

Nah actually, I think that we always had the choice. The ONLY thing that can help us determine is that the default character is female. Had it been a mal, then it would cannonically be a man. But it's not. So here we are.

Moreover, most promo screenshots of the time featured the Gina model IIRC

[Leo T_C_K]

Gina was supposed to be the player model, earlier that woman old style looking clothing model even, as seen on the old screenshots. It was later decided that player can take role on different models and the player personality stayed unknown and up to player to imagine. Although as it was mentioned, some messages here and there implied it was still woman.

[SkaarjSlayer]

I'm just saying that unless there's an undeniable piece of evidence located in an official release version of any Unreal game that pertains to Prisoner 849 being female (which is not the case) then it should be kept that Prisoner 849 has no official canonical gender as it is chosen by the player.

As I said, the player's ability to choose the gender, the male and female voices in RtNP, and the general vague-ness of gender when Prisoner 849 is mentioned (translator messages, cutscenes, etc.) supports this.

[KillerSkaarj]

Wait, if they intended Prisoner 849's name to be Maylia, then why is the default character called Gina?

[Mister_Prophet]

If it wasn't in Unreal or RTNP, than it isn't Canon. It's just what was left on the cutting room floor.

But having said that, there are slight instances in Unreal that hint at a female protagonist. It's rare, like a a log in the Rikers that seems to allude to you and some Nali stuff later on. But whether or not they planned for Prisoner 849 to be a woman from early dev to maybe mere months before release, the fact remains that by the time the game hit shelves...the character is practically anonymous, and gender is optional depending on the player's preferences.

Personally, my first time playing Unreal was with the guy with the cap and cigar, but all the times I've replayed it I pick Gina. The game feels more "right" that way.  

[[]KAOS[]Casey]

was there a beta map named "Vortex" or is vortex2 named that for no reason? always bugged me..

[Mister_Prophet]

I've heard two stories about the Vortex2 filename thing.

1. It was because an alternate version was made without the blood stuff for certain "censored" versions that shipped to other countries with different video game violence laws.

2. The Unreal Demo had an altered version that was changed later prior to the retail release.

I dunno if either of those are true. Could be BS.

[GreatEmerald]

KillerSkaarj, how do you suppose they'd fit her three names into the skin box? And basically all names in the skin selection in all Unreals and UTs are codenames. For example, check UT2004's team's Sun Blade page, and you'll notice that none of the characters names are real: http://liandri.beyondunreal.com/Sun_Blade

About Vortex, I believe it was always Vortex2 so the engine wouldn't confuse the map with the music. Throughout the game each of the maps are named differently from the music: Unreal.unr and flyby.umx, Vortex2.unr and Vortex.umx, Bluff.unr and Eversmoke.umx etc.

[Gizzy]

Makes sense I suppose

[Rob-Bot]

I'm just saying that unless there's an undeniable piece of evidence located in an official release version of any Unreal game that pertains to Prisoner 849 being female (which is not the case) then it should be kept that Prisoner 849 has no official canonical gender as it is chosen by the player.

As I said, the player's ability to choose the gender, the male and female voices in RtNP, and the general vague-ness of gender when Prisoner 849 is mentioned (translator messages, cutscenes, etc.) supports this.

Well that's like saying prisoner849 should have no official race because you can also be a skaarjplayer...