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ok i got the stuff uploaded..
http://www.rolandunreal.ismywebsite.com/unreal/
that ought to work.. just download RTNPMaps.7z and RTNPSystem.zip

if u dont have unreal gold:
Textures: http://www.unrealtexture.com/Unreal/Web ... alGold.htm
some music files are found in ONP (the UT coop series), Marine.uax is in the umsspacemarine mods, i think asgard released one..

also if u dont have unreal gold, just torrent it from somewhere.. be inventive.

ok what i did.. in a nutshell:
1. open unreal gold map editor
2. open a RTNP map
3. exported it to a .t3d file
4. opened unreal 225 map editor
5. imported the .t3d file
6. rebuilt the map
7. saved it

the fact that i used the maps from gold shouldnt matter, should it? the level summary thing will just get filtered out.. besides, maps work fine on 225, check em out yourself..

leo, i checked out ryspak and it is awesome, but my aim is to make an identical copy for 225 users, not a 'way it should be' version.. if u get what i mean. my goal is that gold users can't tell the difference, then i'm happy. sure, i'm fixing some bugs in the maps and making them more cooperative by editing some movers, whatever, but i want to change as little as possible.

there are two reasons why i dont want to use ryspak..
1. it's 8.1 mb.. it will take a while for a person to download, even with http download support. (upakguns.u is 2.8 mb)
2. it's not the UPak.u i have.. yours is better.. i noticed straight away that there were different sprites involved.. but to be honest, i dont want those. my aim is cloning, not beautifying

if u want to have it using ryspak, u could always use dzmapm's item replacer to replace UPakGuns.CARifle with RySPak.CARifle.

the reason im being such an assho.le about this is cuz there have been a couple of rtnp conversions, but these ppl all edited them by putting in their own guns and replacing stuff to make it 'more intense and fun', which i simply hate
that's why i want a clean copy.. u get me?

if u wna talk to me on msn.. therolandvl "AT" hotmail "DOT" com

There was btw a projet of tentacle hunter converting rtnp straight away like this, plus with some fixes though....he even sent me the duskfalls plus the system file(s) etc needed to run it.

he even sent me the duskfalls plus the system file(s) etc needed to run it.

okay I played though the maps until GlatrielVillage2Upak (which seems to be missing).  

Overall the conversion is about 90% 1-to-1 from the original.  Here are some bugs and missing things I found

Dusk Falls:
-missing translator (had to summon to read messages)
-predator AI is different than the original somehow.  The predators didn't follow me up the ramp where I went to hit the button that opens the door to end the level.  They just went back and forth on the floor below me spazzing out (this doesn't happen in the original).

Neve's Crossing:
-predator AI on the bridge.  When I played RTNP before the predators came up on the bridge with the krall.  In this conversion, they don't come across the bridge to attack you, instead you have to come to them.

Eldora Well:
-Only one fly came from out of the wall in the room where the water rises.
-BSP cuts in the second part of the well (where your in water).  Specifically, where towards the end where you have to swim up. (I think that's where it was...)
-some dark walls towards the end.. this looks odd but it might be like that in the original as well.

Glathriel Village #1:
-I went though this map so fast that I hardly gave it any attention.  There might be errors, but I didn't see any off the top of my head.

srbassalot u dont have to test them out, shivaxi and i went over all the finished maps just now.. appears everything works fine except for:
abyss--invisible spinners (easy to fix), and ending teleporter gives issues
glathriel1--walking into town crashes the game, and the waterfall thing also crashes the game. --Zombie if u could give me some hints/tips on that one, it'd be much appreciated

okay I played though the maps until GlatrielVillage2Upak (which seems to be missing).  

Overall the conversion is about 90% 1-to-1 from the original.

Dusk Falls:
-missing translator (had to summon to read messages)

-predator AI is different than the original somehow.  The predators didn't follow me up the ramp where I went to hit the button that opens the door to end the level.  They just went back and forth on the floor below me spazzing out (this doesn't happen in the original).

Eldora Well:
-Only one fly came from out of the wall in the room where the water rises.

-BSP cuts in the second part of the well (where your in water).  Specifically, where towards the end where you have to swim up. (I think that's where it was...)

Glathriel Village #1:
-I went though this map so fast that I hardly gave it any attention.  There might be errors, but I didn't see any off the top of my head.

In Glathriel1 Lantern0 inside some room will crash clients. Replace it or you could try reseting its advanced properties to defaults. I'm not sure about the Waterfall, but it's probably some map actor set not to be static, possibly set not hidden, and once had an AmbientSound. Your unreal log should tell what actor instance causes your client to crash. Inspect every matching actor class near that waterfall to find it.

I do have a general suggestion for placing Predators, and SpaceMarines into converted RTNP maps. Give your mod(s) a unique filename associated with your maps before placing them. This may prevent possibilities of conflicts later on. If not your mod(s) find out if the author is okay with that. Also, I suggest play testing each map from beginning to end teleporter twice. If you cannot reach the end teleporter the second time without cheating you'll know the map is not cooperative compatible yet.

-Zombie

Predator AI isnt Roland's fault either....blame whoever converted the predator.u mod

Oh btw, these maps are now being hosted (minus Glathriel1 and Abyss) on my Co-op server.  So you may check them out if you want.  Server name = Evolution Revolution

okay I played though the maps until GlatrielVillage2Upak (which seems to be missing).  

i still have to do glathriel2, crashsite, crashsite1, crashsite2, toxic, and nalic2.. when u reach the end of glathriel1 just do "open SpireLandUPak"

thx for the help

hmm u have a good point there.. i remember that at one point in time there were like 3 versions of NBSpecials.u... currently im using asgard's spinner.u and predator.u. he already updated these before so i assume this will be the final version. if he does decide to update these then i will re-release the pack with the same mods under different names. i havent done the space marine map yet, so i'll change the mod's name for that one.. thanks for the heads up, i really didnt think of that.

function inventory SpawnCopy( pawn Other )
{
      local inventory Copy;
      if( Level.Game.ShouldRespawn(self) )
      {
            Copy = spawn(Class,Other);
            Copy.Tag           = Tag;
            Copy.Event         = Event;
            GotoState('Sleeping');
      }
      else
            Copy = self;

      Copy.RespawnTime = 0.0;
      Copy.bHeldItem = true;
      Copy.GiveTo( Other );
      return Copy;
}

//
// Set up respawn waiting if desired.
//
function SetRespawn()
{
      if( Level.Game.ShouldRespawn(self) )
            GotoState('Sleeping');
      else
            Destroy();
}

srbassalot u dont have to test them out, shivaxi and i went over all the finished maps just now.. appears everything works fine except for:
abyss--invisible spinners (easy to fix), and ending teleporter gives issues
glathriel1--walking into town crashes the game, and the waterfall thing also crashes the game. --Zombie if u could give me some hints/tips on that one, it'd be much appreciated

hmm u have a good point there.. i remember that at one point in time there were like 3 versions of NBSpecials.u... currently im using asgard's spinner.u and predator.u. he already updated these before so i assume this will be the final version. if he does decide to update these then i will re-release the pack with the same mods under different names. i havent done the space marine map yet, so i'll change the mod's name for that one.. thanks for the heads up, i really didnt think of that.

hmm u have a good point there.. i remember that at one point in time there were like 3 versions of NBSpecials.u... currently im using asgard's spinner.u and predator.u. he already updated these before so i assume this will be the final version. if he does decide to update these then i will re-release the pack with the same mods under different names. i havent done the space marine map yet, so i'll change the mod's name for that one.. thanks for the heads up, i really didnt think of that.

I would not assume in this case. Just look at the version history of those at Asgard's website. Many times he has reached what was supposed to be a final version only to discover a fix is needed or somebody requests some other change. IMO, it's better to release a map pack with unique filenames for everything initially so that clients need not download every map over again if re-released or risk yet more networking conflicts. As long as a good job is done on the conversion you won't need to re-release, and hopefully the mods incorporated will be stable to not require anymore updates.

I noticed Shivaxi's unreal server reports the original RTNP level titles when querying the server list. You may want to change the level titles to be at least slightly different from the originals if you do not want DZMapM to apply its own fixes to the maps. There should not be any problems for users by leaving them the same, but for a converted CrashSite2 map it will have fixes applied that may only benefit the original. It's generally a good mapping practice to differentiate maps in their descriptive properties to let players know what they're playing anyway.


-Zombie