Wikipedia - Oldunreal needs some voices it seems

[GreatEmerald]

Speaking of RTNP.
I never played that, my computer went down, and when I got it,
that was about the time we seen just to many aim bots and garbage.
Then just got cought up in other things.
I thought Unreal Gold had the UT type console, which back then is where alot of problems arose.
Althought there was a command in the INI to use the other console too huh?, I can't remember exactly, but once I start swimming is Unreal again.....
So I have Unreal, Totally Unreal, Unreal Gold, which is the one suggested, ?
I thought with all the problems I stuck with Unreal, and I think I downloaded Mission Pack 1 seperately somewhere either at Unreal or the OLD Nalicity....
Which I used to have a hard drive FULL of Nalicity Unreal files.
I was knowing that sometime we would lose alot of the sites so I started downloading everything I could find, saving web pages and all that. now if I just could get on that hard drive...

They're all the same. TotallyUnreal is Unreal + UT (and a rarity!), UnrealGold is Unreal+RtNP and Unreal is, well, Unreal. So if you like UT, use TotallyUnreal.

[Hyper]

Hyper, he never liked me / Oldunreal. Never knew why. However, you may want to have a look here: http://www.unrealsp.org/forums/viewtopi ... 5dcd31ad6f

TESUK wrote:

And I thought I was the only one with something against 227...

Maybe this summarizes the whole issue. Still I think that personal opinions of a single person should not need to affect the outcome of an encyclopedia article.

[Jâçkrâßßit]

This isn't going the right way. Threatening Wikipedia users/admins is not the way to help Smirftsch and get OldUnreal mentioned. The article is locked now because of actions mentioned here.

Because of this, I'll lock this thread. Any constructive replies about the future of the Wikipedia Unreal article and the role of OldUnreal in it can be made in the original thread.

Final note: As some of you might have experienced now, Wikipedia is quite an bureaucratic medium. While they invite anyone to contribute they can be very defensive to changes in existing articles.

I will admit the fact that I did misinterperet the situation at the time it took place (which is when I posted the original thread).  Anyone would really.. it was just one hell of a coincidence.  Basically, what really happened here is that TSUK (and not the wiki admin) deleted the link right after I added it back to the wiki page.  Afer TSUK did delete it again, I got a message about a minute later from one of the Wiki admins telling me to stop editing that page.  I figured that HE was the one removing the link and not TESUK.  If I would have known that it wasn't that admin purposly removing the link.. I wouldn't have made any initial threat...

So in conclusion, what I said to that admin was because I did misinterperet what was going on at that time.  It's important that people understand that here.  Hyper you are right that the admin didn't necessarily deserve those threats.. but I thought he was just another TESUK at the time.. so yeah.....

Still don't understand why you locked the other thread though.

[Hyper]

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Still don't understand why you locked the other thread though.

I locked the thread because it was going downward especially towards the end.

[Chaos13]

Hyper

article was locked

It was semi-locked, 'autoconfirmed' `user`s can edit it. omfg i thing i code mysql too much o_0

[DADSGETNDOWN]

What accurs to me here is,
What was said (the spam threat etc.).
IF it were towards another user, that is mistreating them,
BUt what's worse is yes th threat was towards wiki, since it is thier site
that the "spam" would hit. so they take that personal, abusive etc..

And the (I will have the whole community) or however it was said,
sounds like you have some sort of pull on a WHOLE lot of people,
but WAY WORSE, makes "OUR" community as a whole look VERY BAD..

That's what needs to be understood here, not the fact the you
misunderstood something, or jumped the gun..or mistakenly took it out on who you thought was the culprit etc...

[TheWarlock]

Hey, looks like it somehow all got worked out, if you check the talk page. *wink*

(Don't threaten to bring in other users to spam, though, seriously. I mean, what were you thinking?)

Wikipedia is like a giant game of Nomic, you just need to read the rules more closely than the other person.

[[§Ŕ] ŤhěxĐâŕkśîđěŕ]

Yep and when the other one breaks rules: "HA! GOTCHA!"

[Smirftsch]

Hey, looks like it somehow all got worked out, if you check the talk page. *wink*

(Don't threaten to bring in other users to spam, though, seriously. I mean, what were you thinking?)

Wikipedia is like a giant game of Nomic, you just need to read the rules more closely than the other person.

LOL, dude, I don't get it. I was writing "novels" to bring it to the point, but all they wanted was a plain reference to something which was obvious (at least to me) all the time? I and some others were saying exactly that over and over again.

Unfortunately a lot of facts are still missing, I still don't get why this patch here should be less important or "real" than any "original" patch, since its at least "semi-official" - but at least the Linux port is now mentioned and thats something which hopefully brings some new players to Unreal- so it's something for the community .
Its really not easy to keep this game alive.
Thx.

[Chaos13]

What is game of Nomic?

[Jâçkrâßßit]

What accurs to me here is,
What was said (the spam threat etc.).
IF it were towards another user, that is mistreating them,
BUt what's worse is yes th threat was towards wiki, since it is thier site
that the "spam" would hit. so they take that personal, abusive etc..

And the (I will have the whole community) or however it was said,
sounds like you have some sort of pull on a WHOLE lot of people,
but WAY WORSE, makes "OUR" community as a whole look VERY BAD..

That's what needs to be understood here, not the fact the you
misunderstood something, or jumped the gun..or mistakenly took it out on who you thought was the culprit etc...

I made a reference to my contacts on MSN messenger and not this community. Read before you write. Nowhere in that message I sent to the moderator did I mention OldUnreal.com

[TheWarlock]

Hey, looks like it somehow all got worked out, if you check the talk page. *wink*

(Don't threaten to bring in other users to spam, though, seriously. I mean, what were you thinking?)

Wikipedia is like a giant game of Nomic, you just need to read the rules more closely than the other person.

LOL, dude, I don't get it. I was writing "novels" to bring it to the point, but all they wanted was a plain reference to something which was obvious (at least to me) all the time? I and some others were saying exactly that over and over again.

Unfortunately a lot of facts are still missing, I still don't get why this patch here should be less important or "real" than any "original" patch, since its at least "semi-official" - but at least the Linux port is now mentioned and thats something which hopefully brings some new players to Unreal- so it's something for the community .
Its really not easy to keep this game alive.
Thx.

Basically, there are two kinds of people on Wikipedia. (Well, three, but nobody counts deliberate vandals, so we'll go with two). The first type of person is trying to make Wiki a helpful, comprehensive resource, and can be reached with rational arguments of the sort you were using. The second type plays Wiki like a game of Nomic and can only be beaten by quoting chapter and verse of the relevant rule (the rules themselves are mostly sane). Usually (but not always) the first group will end up being inclusionists and the second group will end up being deletionists, and honestly both groups are needed to keep Wikipedia from turning to crap. You were using an argument that would have worked against the former type of Wiki editor when you were dealing with the latter type, that's all.

Your patch is never going to be as respected as an official port because it isn't on an Epic-run site. I'm sorry, but that's the way it is. The important part is that there's a link on there now, and that link leads to the explanation here of how the patch works, why it exists, and all that. Which is good, because then when (for instance) some random Wikipedian named (for instance) TheWarlock is wondering what games he can install on his new Linux-based laptop, he can trust Wikipedia for the information.

[[§Ŕ] ŤhěxĐâŕkśîđěŕ]

I respect 227 more than any other version.

[TheWarlock]

I respect 227 more than any other version.

Well, so do I: it actually runs on my operating system (where's UPack support, by the way? ) but it's still at best semi-official since it's not from Epic, and that's just the way it unfortunately is.

[Jâçkrâßßit]

The external link is back..... we may have lost a battle.. but we have won the war.

[TheWarlock]

The external link is back..... we may have lost a battle.. but we have won the war.

Try to keep a cool head about things in the future. They deal with people threatening to bring buddies to edit wars all the time. You need to work within their system, not against it.

[[]KAOS[]Casey]

I respect 227 more than any other version.

Well, so do I: it actually runs on my operating system (where's UPack support, by the way? ) but it's still at best semi-official since it's not from Epic, and that's just the way it unfortunately is.

We're working on upak.. Still It WILL be done. One way or another.

[[§Ŕ] ŤhěxĐâŕkśîđěŕ]

The external link is back..... we may have lost a battle.. but we have won the war.

Yep. Smirftsch is right again:

Sometimes you have to lose a fight to win the war.

[[]KAOS[]Casey]

Stalwart is at it again...

[Smirftsch]

and the link was removed again as well as the mentioning about the Linux port (in the Platform listing). Link seems to be re-added again, but- hell, is there no way to contact some admin who can make a decision which not everyone can remove again?
My mails were obviously ignored when I wrote them.

[Hyper]

At least the Dutch version mentions OldUnreal:
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unreal

[DADSGETNDOWN]

See that attitude is exactly what "one" of your problems is.
It's to bad you can't see your personality in the things you say.
Like others do.
So I'll point you back to your one of your posts so you can
"read before you write". I know you will try and justify it one way or the other ( because of a last word thing). but this ends it.
You didn't just "reference" the community, you full on specified it.
Don't get on the defense, it's fact, it's over, take it with a grain of salt.
Shiznit happens, we know...

Oldunreal Official 227 Patch Link removal

This link must not be removed. I will keep having people add it back from the community as I contact them via MSN Messenger. This links to the official OldUnreal Community patch granted permissions to Smirftsch by Epic Megagames. It is important that this link is seen by old players and new who have played or are just starting to play Unreal (the original). This patch fixes major networking issues in the original 1998 versions of unreal. I don't know who is contacting you about removing this link (namely The Stalwart UK 'TSUK') but this link should be considered a privilege for Wikipedia articles. (providing that most of Wikipedia articles are only based off of fact). You can email my back at jackrabbit@unrealcoop.net if you would like to discuss this further. If not, I will have people spam the royal nuts out of the unreal wiki article.

I wrote this on the Administrators page:
LINK:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:HighKing

I made a reference to my contacts on MSN messenger and not this community. Read before you write. Nowhere in that message I sent to the moderator did I mention OldUnreal.com

[DADSGETNDOWN]

There is no way to make such a switcher- BUT - its very easy to have 2 parallel installations - such as 225 and 227 together (or maybe UnrealGold and 227, too keep one version with RTNP, doesn't matter, works with any version)

Install Unreal 225 patch
Make a copy of your Unreal/System directory
Name the copied directory to something like: System225
Open the folder and edit Unreal.ini within:
and change In
[Core.System]
Paths=..\System\*.u
to
Paths=..\System225\*.u

Install 227

227 can be started now from Unreal/System/Unreal.exe
225 can be started now from Unreal/System225/Unreal.exe

This method only requires a copy of the System directory and needs maybe ~ 100MB diskspace. For easy access you might want to add a shortcut on your destkop or startmenu.

How about having UnrealGold and Unreal patched to 225 ?
Does that require just having a full regular/seperate install of Unreal
then patch to 225.
OR copy the system files in my already installed UnrealGold, except
UPak, rename the Gold system folder, then install 225 and point it to the UnrealGold/System, then edit unreail.ini and remove anything refering to Upak ?
Oh crap, that's right you can't "go back" in patches..
So I need to have Unreal one also.

[Smirftsch]

At least the Dutch version mentions OldUnreal:
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unreal

somehow I find it rather disturbing that all language specific pages seem to have completely different content.
Speaks clearly against the wikipedia idea.
Maybe all of you out there from different countries can check and add some information and links for their wiki page?

PS: could someone edit the page again and correct my name? its
Smirftsch, not Smirfstch
(I don't want to do any edits on this page anymore to prevent further problems)

[Smirftsch]

And now it almost looks that HighKing even tried to make the article to an attack against all the work here. Its just wrong whats now in Unofficial updates.
TheWarlock - can you have a look again maybe? I'm really getting lost in that all, I just re-edited the part with inofficial updates, but he reverted it back again into this plain wrong statement.