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Re: hackers ?

Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 7:08 pm
by Gizzy
all bad to me (players) "havoc""tolga (tukichs)" "max"" ""shasa "" player 8""Jackson""DarkSquirrel"" ss""
I play on *UaS* regularly, and I have never seen these players that you mentioned before.

I can support both Matrix's and Skaarj_Slayer's statements. I came online at about 11PM GMT, and left at about 02:00 GMT and not once did I see a player named "Niels"

I think you may have *UaS* and Newbies Playground mixed up, as I see some of the players you mentions on Newbies Playground often.


Re: hackers ?

Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 7:09 pm
by niels
I can support Matrix' statement because I had decided to miss school yesterday and so had spent a majority of the day talking to Matrix on MSN and hanging out with him on the UAS server.

No one had been touched, kicked, banned, nothing. You also never appeared on the server either.

niels, you are a new poster, it seems. Because of that, I find your statements hard to believe since you have seemed to contribute nothing to oldUnreal except your "bad experience" and problems with loading the master server. Not that I am insulting you, but it doesn't help your argument when you consider that you have just recently joined oldUnreal and then went to make a claim (without evidence), then change your mind, and now more than one person contradicts what you have said.

Also, you originally said Newbie's Playground, then changed your mind and said UAS. To me, you seem to be waffle-weaving and it just looks like you're trying to cause crap.

You should either provide evidence of your statements, or be truthful about what you're saying instead of causing crap.
my name online is unreal

Re: hackers ?

Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 7:09 pm
by niels
all bad to me (players) "havoc""tolga (tukichs)" "max"" ""shasa "" player 8""Jackson""DarkSquirrel"" ss""
I play on *UaS* regularly, and I have never seen these players that you mentioned before.

I can support both Matrix's and Skaarj_Slayer's statements. I came online at about 11PM GMT, and left at about 02:00 GMT and not once did I see a player named "Niels"

I think you may have *UaS* and Newbies Playground mixed up, as I see some of the players you mentions on Newbies Playground often.
my name online = unreal

Re: hackers ?

Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 7:10 pm
by Gizzy
I have seen you before on Newbies Playground and Zombies Coop with the name "Unreal" Not once have I seen you on *UaS*

Re: hackers ?

Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 7:28 pm
by Matrix224
I too agree with Gizzy. I have seen those players there, including a person called Unreal, but not once in *UaS*. You may have *UaS* and Newbies mixed up.

Re: hackers ?

Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 7:37 pm
by SkaarjSlayer
niels..

A) Do not spam the same message 3 times. We can read.

B) Whether you have used the name "niels" or "Unreal" whilst online, neither names have ever been seen on the UAS server.

C) It's obvious that Gizzy, Matrix, and myself have seen someone by the name of "Unreal" on Newbie's Playground server.


So my conclusions are as follows:

1. You do not know what you are talking about.

2. You are mistaken or confused.

3. You are causing crap.

Maybe even a mix of those.

Re: hackers ?

Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 8:10 pm
by niels
niels..

A) Do not spam the same message 3 times. We can read.

B) Whether you have used the name "niels" or "Unreal" whilst online, neither names have ever been seen on the UAS server.

C) It's obvious that Gizzy, Matrix, and myself have seen someone by the name of "Unreal" on Newbie's Playground server.


So my conclusions are as follows:

1. You do not know what you are talking about.

2. You are mistaken or confused.

3. You are causing crap.

Maybe even a mix of those.
2. You are mistaken or confused.

:-? :-/

Re: hackers ?

Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 8:12 pm
by niels
niels..

A) Do not spam the same message 3 times. We can read.

B) Whether you have used the name "niels" or "Unreal" whilst online, neither names have ever been seen on the UAS server.

C) It's obvious that Gizzy, Matrix, and myself have seen someone by the name of "Unreal" on Newbie's Playground server.


So my conclusions are as follows:

1. You do not know what you are talking about.

2. You are mistaken or confused.

3. You are causing crap.

Maybe even a mix of those.
2. You are mistaken or confused.

:-?  :-/
I do not know which server :-?

Re: hackers ?

Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 8:44 pm
by SkaarjSlayer
Now you are unsure of what server this happened on.

I cannot conclude where this happen. Newbie's Playground is a doubtful place to be abused and it definitely did not happen in UAS.

If you don't know where this happened, it's best to leave it until it happens again. IF it does, then immediately find out the name of the server (screenshots would help if you can get them) so we can help you better.

Re: hackers ?

Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 9:20 pm
by [§Ŕ] ŤhěxĐâŕkśîđěŕ
I've seen the name Unreal on Newbies' sometimes, and I've also seen some of those players he mentioned, also in Newbies'. I think forgot the server. Although it's even possible that someone hosted another server with the same name to trick players to get in and phuck up their files.

Re: hackers ?

Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 3:10 pm
by Leo T_C_K
It is not only about xcoop, there has been this controlrifle and something else, which can be in any server and it had worse functions than xcoop.
Besides I have heard (only heard, this could be hoax as well, wanting me to believe in something, but due to my experience you can never know) that UAS server admins abuse clients on daily basis or something like that. I never join it, because I can't with older versions...

As for the rumors-

1. Admins were only abusive to people who deserved it, as in, people who had been attacking the server, been cache ripping, excessively killing when they'd been told to stop over 10 times, etc. It was done only to people who had earned it, and deserved it.

2. It was not on a "daily basis", unless someone kept coming back and pulled the same stunts. UAS also rarely banned, so it would only be considered to be a daily basis for some people. Others were left alone and not touched at all.

3. UAS has also lowered its treatment / punishment to just rapid killing, kicking, or now banning. Only people who deserve this would get it. No innocents would / ever did get treated harshly.

That's all i have to say on the topic.
I am tired of this. YOu ahve absolutely no right to mess PEOPLE FILES even if they do anything to server (things like that should be avoided in any case, if you lose your temper, then it is kinda bad and I don't blame you for losing it with such people, but still you should watch that or not use xcoop for that matter)...that's what banning is for and banning is hard punishment already. The functions like that in XCoop were rather a mistake and it is sad being it abused even on abusive players...

And this niels is not this old "Unreal" who is admin at some servers even, he just happens to use same name and "Unreal" does not use Unreal name anymore, just for the confusion....
Besides the rumor that UAS admins are messing clients on daily basis is even from someone who posted in this thread, so....
I won't name anyone, but it is funny how people suddenly change their opinion about this, that means there smells something and a lot.

Re: hackers ?

Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 3:21 pm
by KillerSkaarj
all bad to me (players) "havoc""tolga (tukichs)" "max"" ""shasa "" player 8""Jackson""DarkSquirrel"" ss""
Holy... Shit.... You're not the only one who's had bad experiences with DarkSquirrel. He hasn't returned to Unreal, has he?

Also, Leo, do you believe EVERY rumor you hear!?

And another thing I left out from my previous story, that impersonator who messed up my files up claimed he was in *UAS*. I knew who that person was and I KNOW FOR A FACT that he was not in *UAS*. I will bet you $500 (specifically so I can buy me that new computer...) that anybody from *UAS* who messing with your files is NOT AFFILIATED WITH THAT CLAN AT ALL. It seems there is a group of no-lifes in Unreal trying to tear the community apart, so STOP THE ACCUSATIONS UNTIL WE CAN GET MORE INFO ABOUT THIS, else you will succeed in fulfilling the intention of those evil people.

Re: hackers ?

Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 3:29 pm
by Gizzy
Leo, Matrix did not even mention messing around with people's files in that list, so I'd like to know where you got that idea from. As far as I know, no *UaS* admin has EVER messed with other people's files. I know the command to do so exists in xcoop, but to do that to someone is more than harsh. Matrix even said "No innocents would / ever did get treated harshly."

You also make xcoop sound like it is used primarily as a "hacking tool" as it were. xcoop was designed to expand the Unreal Coop gametype (Just like JcoopZ), not to become the bane of player's lives by having their installation of Unreal broken. That's just not what it is for. Xcoop is closed source, and it cannot be found for download anywhere and is also only given to trusted members of the community, which is a good thing because there are some dangerous commands, that in the hands of a newbie, could seriously mess their, and other player's copy of Unreal up.

Gizzy Out.

Re: hackers ?

Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 3:31 pm
by Smirftsch
no flaming and accusations please otherwise I will close this topic and maybe even delete it. If you have any proof, then its very welcome here- otherwise its of no use, we all know how easy it is to fake names etc.

Re: hackers ?

Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 3:37 pm
by KillerSkaarj
we all know how easy it is to fake names etc.
Exactly, the person who messed up my Unreal was using someone else's name and a fake clan tag. We don't know for sure who did what until we get some form of sufficient proof.

Re: hackers ?

Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 3:45 pm
by Gizzy
we all know how easy it is to fake names etc.
Exactly, the person who messed up my Unreal was using someone else's name and a fake clan tag. We don't know for sure who did what until we get some form of sufficient proof.
Do you have your logs from the day?

Re: hackers ?

Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 3:52 pm
by KillerSkaarj
No, they're long gone. I reformatted at least twice since then.

Re: hackers ?

Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 4:00 pm
by Leo T_C_K
no flaming and accusations please otherwise I will close this topic and maybe even delete it. If you have any proof, then its very welcome here- otherwise its of no use, we all know how easy it is to fake names etc.
Well I am sure the person who told me didn't fake his/her name, because it was on this forum and later somewhere where he couldn't get without me giving info to him about it.
And no this is not attempt to tear community apart and I expected everyone would go like that. Seriously stop being paranoid like that.

And I don't beleive these things, that UAS does not mess other people files, in fact one of the reedited posts said it in this whole thread, that they do things only to scum like klingons or something right now...but before it prolly used to be on "daily basis"

Re: hackers ?

Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 4:11 pm
by KillerSkaarj
I didn't say YOU were trying to tear the community apart. I'm saying that there's a gang of impersonators trying to tear it apart.

And like I said before, you have ZERO proof that UAS used to mess with other people's files in the past.

Re: hackers ?

Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 4:15 pm
by SkaarjSlayer
no flaming and accusations please otherwise I will close this topic and maybe even delete it. If you have any proof, then its very welcome here- otherwise its of no use, we all know how easy it is to fake names etc.
Well I am sure the person who told me didn't fake his/her name, because it was on this forum and later somewhere where he couldn't get without me giving info to him about it.
And no this is not attempt to tear community apart and I expected everyone would go like that. Seriously stop being paranoid like that.

And I don't beleive these things, that UAS does not mess other people files, in fact one of the reedited posts said it in this whole thread, that they do things only to scum like klingons or something right now...but before it prolly used to be on "daily basis"
Ok, all I have to say is these rumours are ones which have been only told by 1 person (or so you've told us so far) and 4 - 5 people have been claiming otherwise. Like Smirftsch said, there's no proof of such abuse, just rumours.. and it's not the first time someone would try to cause crap.

From now on, leave rumours behind.. any claims that anyone makes should be supported by facts with undeniable evidence. Without such, there is nothing to stop anyone from thinking you're just lying or mistaken.

Re: hackers ?

Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 4:25 pm
by Gizzy
Leo, unless you can post logs as evidence of this, then I'm afraid I can't believe you.

Re: hackers ?

Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 4:25 pm
by Leo T_C_K
no flaming and accusations please otherwise I will close this topic and maybe even delete it. If you have any proof, then its very welcome here- otherwise its of no use, we all know how easy it is to fake names etc.
Well I am sure the person who told me didn't fake his/her name, because it was on this forum and later somewhere where he couldn't get without me giving info to him about it.
And no this is not attempt to tear community apart and I expected everyone would go like that. Seriously stop being paranoid like that.

And I don't beleive these things, that UAS does not mess other people files, in fact one of the reedited posts said it in this whole thread, that they do things only to scum like klingons or something right now...but before it prolly used to be on "daily basis"
Ok, all I have to say is these rumours are ones which have been only told by 1 person (or so you've told us so far) and 4 - 5 people have been claiming otherwise. Like Smirftsch said, there's no proof of such abuse, just rumours.. and it's not the first time someone would try to cause crap.

From now on, leave rumours behind.. any claims that anyone makes should be supported by facts with undeniable evidence. Without such, there is nothing to stop anyone from thinking you're just lying or mistaken.
Then I perfectly know who the person is then...but if I am gonna say that you will say you don't beleive me anyway (and perhaps that is why that person does that in first place), so I will ignore that.
I don't need to care about it, for me I don't care if you tear echothers apart because of some your personal mistakes, so be it, it is your problem and not mine.

I personally didn't see UAS server messing with people files, so I don't have any proof for that besides words of some person(s).
But I wouldn't be surprised if it wa strue, seriously it is not place I would like to be, with a lot of those mods and annoying players, at least what I've seen on youtube from UAS server was rather mess.

Re: hackers ?

Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 4:33 pm
by SkaarjSlayer
You should stop assuming that any of us are guilty of something. Just because you and your unknown friend do not like the UAS server and are willing to agree with any argument putting it in a bad light, doesn't mean we all do. MANY people enjoy going on the UAS server, a lot whom post on this forum, a lot who don't.

We aren't trying to prove anything except that UAS admins did not abuse niels and do not mess with any players files at all. Leave it at that. What you feel and what you wouldn't be surprised with are irrelevant in an argument lacking evidence.

Re: hackers ?

Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 4:35 pm
by Gizzy
I would like to know who this person is, but for the sake of the forum I don't want you to post their name.

Smirftsch, could you end this now please?

Re: hackers ?

Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 6:04 pm
by niels
You should stop assuming that any of us are guilty of something. Just because you and your unknown friend do not like the UAS server and are willing to agree with any argument putting it in a bad light, doesn't mean we all do. MANY people enjoy going on the UAS server, a lot whom post on this forum, a lot who don't.

We aren't trying to prove anything except that UAS admins did not abuse niels and do not mess with any players files at all. Leave it at that. What you feel and what you wouldn't be surprised with are irrelevant in an argument lacking evidence.
ok