OldUnreal (Engine)

About DX2: yeah, I tried that b$ a few years ago and was like, 'WTFBBQ WHAT DOES THIS CR@P TO DO WITH DX?'

Go to area 51 in DX1 and look at the clones in the tubes. Alex D. /spoilers

and yes thats pretty much it

Jesus H., why so much hate for UT3? I mean I understand if it's because of crashing problems. I mean that's why I started hating it. But hating it jsut because "it's just another UT" isn't an excuse. Hell, I used it as an excuse, but I actually really, really like it.

It's the reason I booted up the demo every single day and played nothing but VCTF all night until the sun came up. I don't know why so many people hate this game. I really don't. It also makes my blood boil when people bash it without giving a [suitable] reason.

I personally do think it's a shameful game, I didn't like it, and I am quite happy to see it's a commercial failure (Yeah, 1 million. On 3 different plateforms, for a game whose development certainly costed millions. Not great).

But I don't bash people for liking it. Not the same thing

Really, they could just make UT99 all over again with vehicles and make millions if they kept the physics/game balance the same

I don't have anything about any game, I just prefer some over others. And I'm pretty sure that's ok.

You're not the only one. My WLAN was kicking my laptop out, ok now has stopped, but I have some "Internet Gateway" connection on my comp that I can't remove.

Damn windows!

Yea, you're not the only ones too. My PC is now in the service depot, guess the fan of the CPU (U - unit, not usage ) is malfunctioning, doesn't turn on when it needs to, but turns on later, only after the PC gives up booting BIOS. But as it starts up, the PC stays in a zombish idle mode with no BIOS...

The whole thing is :

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True. Those consoles are no good. Actually, I wouldn't mind, if only those who port games from consoles would do an actual fine job on that. But they don't. Porting should be quite a bit like remaking. The requirements of console and PC players are different. Console players are basically those who want everything work out-of-the-box. While PC players are generally those who like a bit of configuration and changing settings to match their needs - even getting a PC is configuring, as building one is a lot better than buying a pre-made one already. So that slider thing in UT3 is really stupid. What gives if I want to have less blur in water, but overall bloom is good for me? And if the next time I touch the slider, everything resets?

Funny thing with UT3 demo happened. I don't like it for performance too, atually, but seems Epic left all the performance work for card developers... Anyway, I had gotten the latest driver for my card, and that day everything ran flawlessly. The framerate was around 30 on the 4th slider option, and that was really good as earlier I only had 30 on the 1st option... And then the next day the same config still gave me good performance. I decided to see what frames I could get if I used a bigger detail setting. It was no go, only 14. Then I reset it on 3, but... Still 14! Then on 2, still 14! On 1 with everything turned off - 14!!! I checked, there's no cap or anything, and why would it be there anyway? Never tried booting it again before the PC broke down...

Good, now you can play and face the hard reality that is UT3 sucks flawlessly.

I just read the last page and came upon this post. How do you suck flawlessly...? Do you, like, suck so much that nothing good is there? Kind of like flawless victory where you win without anything bad happening. i think I just answered my own question.

Yes. But UT3 still doesn't run on linux or mac, after nearly a full year of life. How great is it.

Did it ever occur to you that maybe they may be held back due to the fact that there's a depression going on right now? Midway already had to fire some of their employees and stop development on all of their non-core games.

I've been wanting to try UT3 but haven't been able to because of lack of memory.
Memory is really cheap for newer boards but mine requires rdram or better known as rambus which is very expensive.
I have a friend sending me 512mb this coming week so I look forward to checking it out.
All unreal games deserve a fair shake even though I don't care for most of the lot.I've played them all save for UT3.
As far as liking or disliking it's simply a matter of preference.
If ya like it,cool.If ya don't,cool also.
Opinions are like @ssh*les,everyone has one.

And they all stink XD

Yeah, PC's are troublesome with all that configuring and stuff, but with some working on a game you pretty much can get it to work (not often). Well, let me ask everybody a question? Do you open Gheystation or another console and phuck with its components? The answer would be: no. And, do you open a PC to phuck with its components? The answer it [mostly] yes.

Although many inexperienced users buy a configuration in a supermarket, those PC's cant be good. Maybe only in performance. I mean, in a supermarket price list I saw a computer "Hardcore Gamer Plus" (or something like that, it's not that important) and it had a on-board gfx card (equivalent to GeForce 2), 512 MB of RAM, CPU 1,5 GHz, 80 GB HDD (some godforsaken manufacturer), etc. Now, imaging a noob buying that crap (that was few MONTHS ago, not YEARS nor DECADES) and installing UT3. He runs, no, tries to run it and what... Waits about 10 minutes on a white frozen screen just to get a minidump-BSoD, crash, reboot and a wiped BIOS. He takes the PC to "service", pays $100 for "repair" and thinks "Oh, everything's gonna be fine". A little more experienced users could ask themselves "What the heck did I do wrong?" and look at UT3's (or any other [newer] game) low-end system requirements and realize that they don't even have the right OS! Well, that's the bad side of pre-built PC's.

The good side, and the ONLY good side I see it that it can serve for some companies' workers' office and other business needs, and for opening a shared folder on a server (and, yes, they thing it's a local disk, for example H:, "I've put my things onto H:, the thingy with the funny little image next to it and I can't open it now" [when they're not connected on the network]) and putting some documents there.

Consoles are obviously made for gamers but they're just like these pre-built computers, except that their audience is somewhat different. Nobody who needs something to work with in an office or so would buy a console. They would buy a PC instead (probably a pre-built one). But REAL gamers should buy something configurable, even a pre-built PC is an option, buy only if they're going to modify some components.

To conclude my post, I must say that I don't hate or disrespect consoles or their users, hell, there are very few people whom I don't like or even hate. I don't even own a console. (I'm not saying that I'm going to get one.) I just think that CONFIGURABLE machines in general are WAY BETTER than PRE-BUILT ones, no matter how is it hard to configure them. You can't feel the freedom of playing new games with a pre-built PC. Of course, you can get a pre-built PC like that, but it would cost you multiple times than all of the components itself. So the choice for all users who have even the least experience with PC's, hell, for all machines' users in general: BUILD YOUR OWN!

Wait, building a PC is cheaper than buying a pre-built one!?

Well yeah. Since you have to install windows and assemble everything, it's cheaper. My comp was 1200[ch8364], but it would have more around 1600/1800 if it had been prebuilt.

Hellkeeper's right. And if you build yourself a PC, be sure to choose a motherboard with DDR2, be 104,5% sure it's DDR2 because it's newer and multiple times cheaper than DDR1 (oh well).

Besides that, I'll give a thousand bucks to someone who finds a PC with 2xGeForce 8800 GTX (SLI) in a supermarket where you buy vegetables and stuff.

Lol,yes,building your own is most awesome...but,and I do mean BUT!
Do not attempt this unless
A.You know what you're doing.
B.You have the patience of JOB.
C.You have a tech support system including being able to talk live with them.
If you meet those basic requirements then hell yes,build baby BUILD!

The reason I stress the above is that there are too many people that think they know what they're doing but soon after find themselves screwing the pooch......

Well damn, I gotta let my parents know about building a PC for my little brother. We have Windows XP and everything. Hell, we have an ancient computer sitting in my little brother's room. Maybe we can buy new parts for it and beef it up. I gotta pass that idea to my dad sometime, heh.

EDIT: Wait, you can't get somebody to do it for you? Well, that'd probably cost more, I guess.

Well, I managed to locate the Memory stick in the computer without even being told where it is. I think I would know what I would be doing. And if that fails, I'll just get my oldest bro to do it. He's put together computers in the past.

Well darn, I gotta let my parents know about building a PC for my little brother. We have Windows XP and everything. Hell, we have an ancient computer sitting in my little brother's room. Maybe we can buy new parts for it and beef it up. I gotta pass that idea to my dad sometime, heh.

EDIT: Wait, you can't get somebody to do it for you? Well, that'd probably cost more, I guess.

Doing things like the above is great and also a good way to learn.
I recently walked a guy(from Unreal)through the basic upgrades he needed for his ancient pc including installing XPPro.
It was a good experience for him and a big@ss headache for me but the point being..he learned quite a bit.
He now knows enough to get in trouble,lol,but he ain't scared now.

And, there are tutorials on that on the Internet.
Google is your friend.

And, there are tutorials on that on the Internet.
Google is your friend.

Yes there are.But,you better have an inkling when it comes to configuration.
I suspect Darksider,no offense,that you are one of the examples I was reffering to.
I could be wrong indeed but,I suspect different.
Don't be offended,just a gut feeling.

No offense taken.

Actually, I don't know what tutorials are there or how good they are, I just guessed that there could be something, although I never searched for and tutorials of that kind.

And I think I'm pretty good at that stuff, I did my first Windows install all by myself about 7 years ago (I think that was WinME), and I was 7 then. Besides that, I really can't count how many times I've fixed someone's PC or installed an OS.

That's impressive.You come from the new generation,meaning growing up with tech.That's really cool.You obviously got exposed to new technology early and expanded upon it.
At your age you might want to consider a career in pc tech.
Networking,etc.,good fields to go into.
Patience is a key tool in any of the related fields of interest.
Being able to troubleshoot and resolve is a skill...

Thank you for supporting me.

This year is my last year in basic school and I was already looking what high school could I go to, and I was thinking it's the best for me to go to an IT school.

And, yes, you could say I grew up on bread, water and computer and I must tell you I'm very glad it came that way.

Started Gaming - Age 5
Started Installing programs and messing with features - Age 6
Started mapping / skinning / texturing for unreal - Age 7
Started website work / networking / advanced computer options - Age 9
Built my first computer - Age 11

=) I can blame my dad.

18 now btw.

Hah, this got off topic, but fun so let's continue

Yeah, PC's are troublesome with all that configuring and stuff, but with some working on a game you pretty much can get it to work (not often).
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Very true. And actually, configuration is also one big plus of Linux: you an basically change anything you want, if not through GUI, then from the console, if not through console, then by scripting. And Windows has nothing more than that Control Panel and Microsoft Management Console (Run->MMC, but many of those settings are also obsolete or do no difference), and thus you can't change absolutely anything interesting. Like, to get your desktop show random pictures each hour, on Linux you only need to open Desktop Properties and set it to do so. While in Windows you at least need a whole new program...

Lol,yes,building your own is most awesome...but,and I do mean BUT!
Do not attempt this unless
A.You know what you're doing.
B.You have the patience of JOB.
C.You have a tech support system including being able to talk live with them.
If you meet those basic requirements then hell yes,build baby BUILD!

Well, usually the points A and C aren't absolutely required, as long as you have a strong B and you take your time to read the manual Of course, you need to have some A to buy a component that actually has a manual

Well darn, I gotta let my parents know about building a PC for my little brother. We have Windows XP and everything. Hell, we have an ancient computer sitting in my little brother's room. Maybe we can buy new parts for it and beef it up. I gotta pass that idea to my dad sometime, heh.

EDIT: Wait, you can't get somebody to do it for you? Well, that'd probably cost more, I guess.

Yeap. Throwing away old PCs is the most pathetic thing to do.
Our family throughout all my life have bought 4 PCs. We still have all of them. The first one was bought somewhere in 1998 with a brand new pre-installed Win98SE and a sticker "Made for Win98" or something similar (it no longer exists ). After some years, we bought a laptop with WinXP (somewhere around 2003). The old PC was quite useless then, but we upgraded it with double the RAM (was only 128 ), new HDD, faster processor and so on. I don't remember, but I think some tech assembled it for us. Then that PC became the work PC, and we had the laptop at home. Later on we bought a new PC (this was two years ago) and planeed to use it as a work PC as well. That was the first PC I installed Linux on It's still here, however BIOS has disabled USB device detection so it's not so easy to turn it on now... Anyway, after being in home for configuration, it became the work PC and replaced the old one. That's where I'm talking from now The old PC was unused for some time, but something really interesting happened:
My parents' company decided to buy some embroidery machines and that way also give embroidery service (earlier it was only a sewing company). The machines, however, weren't absolutely new, probably from 2000 or such. So the software that came with it had parts of it written in 16bit language and a HardLock thing that enabled you to use the software only with a printer port (25 holes or such). So... None of our computers had this type of obsolete port except for the old one! So it was back in action. Last year we bought a new PC for home use as that laptop got really old. And here you go, recently it broke down, compare this with our old PC that worked flawlessly more than 10 years now! The laptop was taken to Brussels by my brother though, he studies there this semester. So we now only have 2, both of which are work PCs...
Later on we could merge two PCs to work like one (kind of what supercomputers now do). Sure, it won't use 100% the performance of both PCs, but hey, you get a free boost in performance! That way no components will go to waste. Also, getting Crossfire cards and RAM into empty slots also make upgrades a lot more easy.

Eheh, My family also never bought many comps. My mother first bought an expensive and very high-end one. HOLY SHIT, PENTIUM III ! With Win98 (first edition). P3 were so nex that she was even part of an association of PIII-owners.

Then my step-father (who only have laptops) made another PC for me and my brothers/sisters, whose parts were changed numerous times according to which part was dead or malfunctionning, including graphic cards when ONE OF THE USER was playing more and more games.

Then my mither bought a new PC for herself and the old one was given to my brother's school, and I Built a PC last year to let the other one to my brothers/sister and finally have my own (and a fairly powerful one too). I plan on changing parts of it and not throw it in the garbage as long as it doesn't scream for me to destroy him.

Well, until now I had 3 PC's but the one I'm using right now has gone through at least 10 upgrades (hardware, I can't count Windows reinstallations).

First, about 9 or 10 years ago (P1 if I remember well, 2 GB HDD, 64 MB SDRAM [holy crap!], etc.), my mother brought home as a work PC. (I also possessed a 56K modem then, holy f*ck!) But, it was majorly, of course, used by me. Well that was it until it got burned or something and refused to turn on. Of course, my mother was a complete computer noob, so she just replaced it for a newer one (duh!). Then, on the new one (still got it, WinXP, 80 GB SATA HDD, 1/4 GB DDR, P4 2.8 @ 2.81 GHz), I started to do more serious stuff (like f*cking up the registry completely (and fixing it, of course )). Until the summer in 2007., my dad gave me HIS computer (the one with >10 changes) and bought himself a new one. (Of course, as soon as it arrived to my house, the RAM died (-_-)...)

And, yes, that's pretty much it. But at least half of those changes were made by me. And, I plan on using this computer as long as it's working, and, when something dies (well, I got new RAM, a new HDD along with the old one, etc.), I'll just replace it.

Just now happens that my grandparents need a computer (P1 with 8 MB of EDO RAM would be enough, duh!) and I don't want to give the old PC to them or to anyone else than me (oh well), I would probably just take some old components from before the upgrades of this PC, put them together (if something remained ), and that's it! A whole new PC for free! Not very powerful, but free and I'm sure it would handle Unreal.