the floor lofter?

[Skywolf]

hello, i want to create my first map and i want it in open air. so i start to learn how to work unrealEd but the tut goes about unrealEd 1 and i have version 2.... in the tut are they talking about an tool named 'the floor lofter' but unrealEd 2 have every thing on an other place an some times with an other name. so what is the name of this tool in unrealEd 2 or if it dont have how to create the same effect?

[[§Ŕ] ŤhěxĐâŕkśîđěŕ]

It's not available anymore, use Terrain Brush instead.

[img]http://thedarkside.net63.net/terrain_brush.bmp[/img]

[Shivaxi]

I doubt he knows how to vertex edit it...and/or it's consequences

I know there's a thread already on here explaining how to vertex edit and all the sh*t that comes with it....to lazy to find the post now...not enough time...

[[§Ŕ] ŤhěxĐâŕkśîđěŕ]

You can use TerraEdit but it makes bs results (lots of BSp).

I'll probably allocate some time later for making a tool similar to TerraEdit but it's gonna save the brush to look like it's been made with Terrain Brush.

[Gizzy]

It's not available anymore, use Terrain Brush instead.

[img]http://thedarkside.net63.net/terrain_brush.bmp[/img]

Dynamic Fubar...Lol...

Anyway, I never liked Terra edit for the same reason you stated.

[Skywolf]

can you tell me how that terain tool works? or better is there an patch to get the old unrealEd back.

[Gizzy]

I never used the terrain tool. Shiv or other experienced mappers should be able to help though.

is there an patch to get the old unrealEd back.

Make another installation of Unreal and patch to 225f.

[[§Ŕ] ŤhěxĐâŕkśîđěŕ]

If you patch to 225f, get the editor fix or whatever, too...
With terrain brush, you have to edit its vertices (select the brush, click on a dot where two or moar lines connect, hold alt and move) but that's still crash prone a bit in 227f (fixed in 227g) and can cause a disaster if you're using for the first time to make a real map. Experiment first and when you get some experience, use it in a real map.

Actually I'll write a tutorial for that later and put it in wiki, but now I gotta go get school books, make a photo of myself and make bus ticket so bbl.

[Skywolf]

editor 1 is really instable even with the edfix. but i have found an other tool in unrealed2: 2d  shape editor. just rotate and place it . what bring me on this point: now i have an good land shape must i place an house so done but when i run te game to test the map was there an invisible block by the house so i cant enter...... the only thing i have done is rebuild all and later do i have removed the door and light in the house but nothing works. i cant find the block in the editor with none of the view modes. so how can i remove it?

[[§Ŕ] ŤhěxĐâŕkśîđěŕ]

there an invisible block by the house so i cant enter...... the only thing i have done is rebuild all and later do i have removed the door and light in the house but nothing works. i cant find the block in the editor with none of the view modes. so how can i remove it?

That's called a BSP error, the most annoying thing that ever happened, is happening and will always happen until the world ends even after the world ends.

Check out the wiki and my other thread and make sure you did everything that is mentioned.

[Skywolf]

and now an other question: can you delete single faces of your model?
and yes how? by selecting and press del happens notting even when i press the rebuild geometry button.

[[§Ŕ] ŤhěxĐâŕkśîđěŕ]

You can't delete single surfaces of a brush, but I don't see the point in that... That would make huge BSP errors and BSP holes would cut your map in little pieces... If you want to make something like a hole in a wall, or a passage, make a brush with corresponding shape and substract it.

[Skywolf]

ok, plan B just change the brush (was made with 2d shape editor) but now do i want to test it do i get an error with failed to spawn player!.
log:

Log: Log file open, 09/07/09 17:43:26
Init: Name subsystem initialized
Init: Detected: Microsoft Windows NT 5.1 (Build: 2600)
Init: Version: 227
Init: Compiled: May 9 2009 15:39:52
Init: Command line: Autoplay.unr HWND=328232 -log
Init: Base directory: D:\unreal game\System\
Init: Character set: Unicode
Log: Bound to Engine.dll
Log: Bound to Core.dll
Log: Bound to Window.dll
Init: Object subsystem initialized
Init: Computer: COMPUTERROLAND
Init: User: Roland
Init: Memory total: Phys=785904K Pagef=1922032K Virt=2097024K
Init: Working set: 32000 / 159000
Init: CPU Speed=1661.943616 MHz
Init: CPU Page size=4096, Processors=1
Init: CPU Detected: PentiumPro-class processor (AuthenticAMD)
Init: CPU Features: CMov FPU RDTSC PAE MMX KNI 3DNow!
Log: 16.0ms Loading: Package Engine
Log: 31.0ms Loading: Package Core
Log: Checking package Core
Log: Checking package Engine
Init: Unreal engine initialized
Log: Bound to WinDrv.dll
Init: Mouse info: 6 10 1
Init: DirectInput initialized successfully.
Init: Client initialized
Log: Bound to Render.dll
Log: 109.0ms Loading: Package Render
Log: Checking package Render
Init: Lighting subsystem initialized
Init: Rendering initialized
Log: LoadMap: Entry
Log: File loaded Entry
Log: 141.0ms Loading: Package Entry
Log: 156.0ms Loading: Package PlayrShp
Log: 172.0ms Loading: Package Detail
Log: Bound to Fire.dll
Log: 172.0ms Loading: Package Fire
Log: Checking package Fire
Log: 187.0ms Loading: Package UnrealI
Log: 219.0ms Loading: Package UnrealShare
Log: 266.0ms Loading: Package GenFX
Log: 281.0ms Loading: Package AmbOutside
Log: 297.0ms Loading: Package AmbAncient
Log: File loaded Entry
Log: Bringing Level Entry.MyLevel up for play (0)...
ScriptLog: InitGame:
ScriptLog: Difficulty 1
ScriptLog: Remote Administration with Password
ScriptLog: Base Mutator is Entry.Mutator0
Log: Browse: Autoplay.unr?Name=the__king?Class=UnrealShare.MaleThree?Skin=Male3Skins.Bane?Face=?Team=255
Log: LoadMap: Autoplay.unr?Name=the__king?Class=UnrealShare.MaleThree?Skin=Male3Skins.Bane?Face=?Team=255
Log: File loaded Autoplay.unr
Log: 781.0ms Loading: Package Autoplay
Log: 797.0ms Loading: Package GenEarth
Log: 797.0ms Loading: Package ShaneSky
Log: 812.0ms Loading: Package SkyBox
Log: File loaded Autoplay.unr
Log: Collecting garbage
Log: Purging garbage
Log: 922.0ms Unloading: Package Render
Log: Garbage: objects: 8967->8961; refs: 100411
Log: Bringing Level Autoplay.MyLevel up for play (0)...
ScriptLog: InitGame: ?Name=the__king?Class=UnrealShare.MaleThree?Skin=Male3Skins.Bane?Face=?Team=255
ScriptLog: Difficulty 1
ScriptLog: Remote Administration with Password
ScriptLog: Base Mutator is Autoplay.Mutator1
Init: Initialized moving brush tracker for Level Autoplay.MyLevel
Log: 969.0ms Loading: Package UMenu
Log: 984.0ms Loading: Package UWindow
Log: 1000.0ms Loading: Package UBrowser
Log: Bound to IpDrv.dll
Log: 1016.0ms Loading: Package IpDrv
Log: Checking package IpDrv
ScriptLog: Team 255
ScriptLog: Login: the__king
ScriptLog: Couldn't spawn player at Autoplay.PlayerStart1
Warning: Login failed: Failed to spawn player actor
Critical: appError called:
Critical: Failed to spawn player actor
Critical: Windows GetLastError: De bewerking is voltooid. (0)
Exit: Executing UObject::StaticShutdownAfterError
Exit: Executing UWindowsClient::ShutdownAfterError
Critical: UGameEngine::Init
Critical: InitEngine
Exit: Exiting.
Uninitialized: Name subsystem shut down
Uninitialized: Log file closed, 09/07/09 17:43:29

[[§Ŕ] ŤhěxĐâŕkśîđěŕ]

Open Actor Browser (click the icon that looks like a pawn), then expand [+] NavigationPoint, and find PlayerStart. Click on PlayerStart (once, not twice). Now right-click the point in your map where you want the player to start, click "Add PlayerStart here" and then you can play the map. Also you can move the PlayerStart around or delete it and make a new one (make more of them for DM maps), but ALWAYS keep at least one PlayerStart in your map because the game can't tell the starting point on its own = you have to place a marker (PlayerStart).

[Skywolf]

if you dont have an start point you get an error with "map need an playerstart'' and not an error with cant spawn player object. the problem is AFTER putting an player start in the map.

[Gizzy]

Make sure the playerstart isn't in a small space ie: one where a player can't fit, or in a wall.

[Skywolf]

no not in an wal and the start is in an really big place. but maybe is it that inisible block bug (that even leaves after the worlds end ).

[Hellkeeper]

If you have a really bad bsp error, the engine could, I guess, think the "inside" is still" outside", making it impossible to spawn the player. This goes back to your earlier question about the BSP hole.

[Skywolf]

ok... i can only say (...) and (...) and dont forget (...). i was not to far in making the map. but can i do something to dont make it happens again?

[Hellkeeper]

The only advices we can give you are the generic advices : use powers of 2 as dimensions, keep your brushes on the grid, snap the vertices on the grid etc... Otherwise, it's a matter of knowing what works and what doesn't.

I'm sure correcting the problems of your map would not be that hard.

[Skywolf]

but that invisible thing (bsp error) cant be removed. i cant find anything in the editor. so i think the best thing is to save the map before i press the rebuild geomatry button.

[[§Ŕ] ŤhěxĐâŕkśîđěŕ]

First make a copy of your map in current state, then try removing brushes one by one and see which is causing the problem. Then load the map with all brushes and delete just the fu[ch1089]ked up one and try again.