UED2.1 with UT99 maps

[Lightning_Hunter]

Is there any way to use UnrealEd2.1 to load UT99 maps?  I always get the error, "Can't Open Map: 'Can't find struct in file 'struct Engine.HUD.HUDlocalizedMessage", try to load map anyway?"

Of course, saying "yes" does not load the map.  The only reason I wish to open a UT99 maps is for the new tools to align textures in UED2.1.  If these were available in UED2, I wouldn't bother.  I just need to get the BSP and textures in to UED2.1 and back in to UED2 without doing a BSP rebuild. I already tried deleting all inventory and decorations unique to UT, but with the same error message each time.  Any ideas?

[Kajgue]

Hey Lightning Hunter,

When you save a brush, intersected or otherwise as a .t3d, it should keep all of the defined texture UVs, so anything imported should remain properly aligned. Atleast, as far as I know this should work.

[Lightning_Hunter]

Thanks for the response Kajgue.

Doesn't your method require a BSP rebuild?  I am trying to align textures on a map that is very difficult to get a stable BSP, so I am hoping to get away with some aligning and just a lighting rebiuld... I am aligning an entire outside area, and not just a few brushes.  If I can load the map in UED2.1 and align the textures without doing a BSP rebuild, it would be best.  Not sure if this is possible...

[Masterkent]

Is there any way to use UnrealEd2.1 to load UT99 maps?

Depends on the map. Usually a custom 227-compatible Botpack.u is needed at least (f.e. see http://www.oldunreal.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1374313749).

[Lightning_Hunter]

Is there any way to use UnrealEd2.1 to load UT99 maps?

Depends on the map. Usually a custom 227-compatible Botpack.u is needed at least (f.e. see http://www.oldunreal.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1374313749).

Yeah, I already tried that.  The map in question seems to have too much custom junk, and only loads if I delete everything including the ZoneInfo actors (which requires a BSP rebuild then). 

What we REALLY need is the "Align to wall around X Axis" and "Align to wall around Y Axis" in UnrealEd2.0 as a plugin or something... I use these two methods of alignment in UED2.1 on a regular basis, and it's criminal they are not in UED2.0.  I know UArchitect released tools as plugins for UED2 in the past; can't something like this be done with texture alignment?

[Hellkeeper]

can't something like this be done with texture alignment?

Rotate your brushes so the faces to align are roughly horizontal and use Align to floor.

[Masterkent]

The map in question seems to have too much custom junk, and only loads if I delete everything including the ZoneInfo actors (which requires a BSP rebuild then).

Removing any actors may be unnecessary, since they usually cause errors only indirectly - by referencing 227-incompatible packages.

There may exist a way to eliminate binary incompatibility of a package by means of
1) removing all hard references to objects that do not exist in the 227 environment,
2) adding all missing required classes with fake definitions.

Depending on the amount of conflicting references, this may be more or less time-consuming process. As long as you need only binary compatibility (to open the map in UnrealEd) and functionality is not a concern, you can quickly remove entire function bodies without considering what they are supposed to do.

[Lightning_Hunter]

can't something like this be done with texture alignment?

Rotate your brushes so the faces to align are roughly horizontal and use Align to floor.

That requires a BSP rebuild, which I am avoiding... See above.  Besides, why should I bother with that when it would actually be easier to remove all the actors in the map temporarily and open the map in UED2.1 to align the walls better?

The map in question seems to have too much custom junk, and only loads if I delete everything including the ZoneInfo actors (which requires a BSP rebuild then).

Removing any actors may be unnecessary, since they usually cause errors only indirectly - by referencing 227-incompatible packages.

There may exist a way to eliminate binary incompatibility of a package by means of
1) removing all hard references to objects that do not exist in the 227 environment,
2) adding all missing required classes with fake definitions.

Depending on the amount of conflicting references, this may be more or less time-consuming process. As long as you need only binary compatibility (to open the map in UnrealEd) and functionality is not a concern, you can quickly remove entire function bodies without considering what they are supposed to do.

Ehm, how would I do that?  Are you talking about deleting all the code in custom actors, for example?  I can try that actually, since I can just copy it back over again from the original map when I'm done aligning.

Edit:  Actually, MasterKents idea worked (at least, I think I carried out his idea).  I went ahead and deleted all the coding with the custom scripts and actors, and saved the files externally to be loaded in UED2.1.  This made the map load in UED2.1 just fine, since the new custom actors are now just subclasses of Unreal pawns, and void of any scripts.  Here is what I had to do, in case anyone tries this in the future:

-I used the 'ACTOR SELECT OFSUBCLASS CLASS= ' command in the log to select each class of the following types in UED2, and deleted them from the map:
*Triggers
*Keypoints
*Decoration
*NavigationPoints
*Inventory

I then saved the map as a different name, making sure to keep the original map with all those actors intact.

Then, like I said above, I removed all coding with the custom scripts/actors, and saved them as files to only be used with UED2.1.  Finally, I loaded the map in UED2.1 to begin texture alignment.  Once I am done, I will load the map back in UED2 (with the scripts back in), and copy/paste all the deleted actors from the original map back to the aligned version.  Then, I can simply do a lighting rebuild and paths rebuild, and everything should be back to the way it was.  I know this was probably more effort than it is worth, but oh well...

[Dr.Flay™]

I use one of the ported Botpacks in Unreal. It will open most UT maps. I have only had problems loading maps with the scrolling arena scores.

I made a guide to combining UT and Unreal with shared folders to reduce duplication.
https://www.ut99.org/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=5540&start=0
Resources are all linked

[medor]

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