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Very Hot Topic (More than 25 Replies) Unreal Gold and EAX\A3D effects (Read 10128 times)
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Re: Unreal Gold and EAX\A3D effects
Reply #15 - Dec 17th, 2014 at 12:56pm
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vorob wrote on Dec 17th, 2014 at 9:56am:
Thing which i'm trying to understand, is what i get via creative card (i have hardware and os that support eax natively)

I tried old onboard laptop sound from 2004, tried creative sb with eax, tried on modern os with realtek chip, tried 227 with open al. everywhere is the same sound, with echo in first room and in tunnel.

Maybe there is something in game, sound, that works ONLY on eax card?


The best place to test is the map DMTundra. Go to the water/ice cave. If EAX is working it should produce a clearly hearable echo.

Galaxy + EAX support
OpenAL EAX support

Recorded on a soundblaster X-Fi on Windows 7. (Galaxy uses Creative ALChemy)
  

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Re: Unreal Gold and EAX\A3D effects
Reply #16 - Dec 17th, 2014 at 5:30pm
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Thx! That's just perfect example. I don't have it on realtek chip...

Will try on my old hardware Smiley
  
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Re: Unreal Gold and EAX\A3D effects
Reply #17 - Dec 17th, 2014 at 7:44pm
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vorob wrote on Dec 17th, 2014 at 5:30pm:
Thx! That's just perfect example. I don't have it on realtek chip...

Will try on my old hardware Smiley


For the realtek chip, use OpenALSoft. It will have all the features and the current processors are fast enough to do it in software. Smirftsch tested this earlier.
  

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Re: Unreal Gold and EAX\A3D effects
Reply #18 - Dec 18th, 2014 at 7:41am
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Hyper wrote on Dec 17th, 2014 at 7:44pm:
vorob wrote on Dec 17th, 2014 at 5:30pm:
Thx! That's just perfect example. I don't have it on realtek chip...

Will try on my old hardware Smiley


For the realtek chip, use OpenALSoft. It will have all the features and the current processors are fast enough to do it in software. Smirftsch tested this earlier.


Wow, this thing will help me to restore EAX option in old games?

I found this http://kcat.strangesoft.net/openal.html but its source code. Any final app which i can install and have EAX in all old games?  Cheesy
  
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Re: Unreal Gold and EAX\A3D effects
Reply #19 - Dec 18th, 2014 at 12:51pm
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vorob wrote on Dec 18th, 2014 at 7:41am:
Hyper wrote on Dec 17th, 2014 at 7:44pm:
vorob wrote on Dec 17th, 2014 at 5:30pm:
Thx! That's just perfect example. I don't have it on realtek chip...

Will try on my old hardware Smiley


For the realtek chip, use OpenALSoft. It will have all the features and the current processors are fast enough to do it in software. Smirftsch tested this earlier.


Wow, this thing will help me to restore EAX option in old games?

I found this http://kcat.strangesoft.net/openal.html but its source code. Any final app which i can install and have EAX in all old games?  Cheesy


Yes, this will work, but ONLY and ALONE for games that use OpenAL. So, if you set Unreal to use OpenAL and have OpenALSoft, it will suppot EAX no matter if your sound card supports it or not. The next version of Unreal 227 will include OpenALSoft by default as far as I know. Just place the OpenAL32.dll file from OpenALSoft into your Unreal System folder and enable OpenAL as sound system in Unreal.
  

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Re: Unreal Gold and EAX\A3D effects
Reply #20 - Dec 18th, 2014 at 1:17pm
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Thx, i'll try but i still don't understand what i'm supposed to do, its source code there, where i should unpack it.
  
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Re: Unreal Gold and EAX\A3D effects
Reply #21 - Dec 18th, 2014 at 9:00pm
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The best place to test is the map DMTundra. Go to the water/ice cave. If EAX is working it should produce a clearly hearable echo.

Galaxy + EAX support
OpenAL EAX support

Recorded on a soundblaster X-Fi on Windows 7. (Galaxy uses Creative ALChemy)


Guys, im kinda frustrated here. I have absolutely same sound on my realtek pc in windows 7. So no need in eax enabled card or patches.

Same sound for openal and same for fmod/galaxy.

And honestly, sound from fmod and galaxy sounds broken, this repeating echo sounds crappy. OpenAL sounds a way better.
  
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Re: Unreal Gold and EAX\A3D effects
Reply #22 - Dec 18th, 2014 at 9:07pm
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FMOD http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihX7uoz9ek4

OPEN AL http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QTB63Q9mxo

So, you say that in 1998, unreal sounded like in FMOD / GALAXY

And when you tried to emulate same reverb and etc it started sound like OPEN AL?
  
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Re: Unreal Gold and EAX\A3D effects
Reply #23 - Dec 18th, 2014 at 9:52pm
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vorob wrote on Dec 18th, 2014 at 9:07pm:
FMOD http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihX7uoz9ek4

OPEN AL http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QTB63Q9mxo

So, you say that in 1998, unreal sounded like in FMOD / GALAXY

And when you tried to emulate same reverb and etc it started sound like OPEN AL?


The reverb (EAX) in OpenAL sounds less dramatic than the old Galaxy in my opinion as well. That was the reason I made the two recordings to begin with. I reported this to Smirftsch a while ago in this topic. (And it seems quite complicated there)
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Re: Unreal Gold and EAX\A3D effects
Reply #24 - May 18th, 2016 at 10:57am
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Found a peculiar problem with Unreal 227i and Galaxy AND this A3D wrapper: http://www.worknd.ru/

Unreal simply freezes @start
Removing the wrapper -> Unreal (227i) starts with no problem.

Just reporting (for the sake of experimentation).
  

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Re: Unreal Gold and EAX\A3D effects
Reply #25 - May 18th, 2016 at 12:29pm
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Update: Pure Unreal Gold 226f (Anthology) too doesn't start with thar wrapper installed.

With "UseDirectSound=True" a3d.dll is loaded (you can see with ListDLLs ) but the process freezes after that.
  

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Re: Unreal Gold and EAX\A3D effects
Reply #26 - May 18th, 2016 at 12:36pm
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The only requirement for correct operation - Support for sound card DirectSound3D hardware threads.
  

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Re: Unreal Gold and EAX\A3D effects
Reply #27 - May 18th, 2016 at 12:39pm
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han wrote on May 18th, 2016 at 12:36pm:
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The only requirement for correct operation - Support for sound card DirectSound3D hardware threads.

Uhmmmmm.
  

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Re: Unreal Gold and EAX\A3D effects
Reply #28 - May 18th, 2016 at 12:42pm
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.....demos are working on the same PC where Unreal+Galaxy hangs.

Maybe it's a problem with the last Galaxy (Gold/226) version.
  

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Reply #29 - May 18th, 2016 at 4:24pm
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1) Anthology is far from "pure"
2) the log. start unreal with unreal.exe -log so you can see the window in real time. Make sure your startup fullscreen is false in unreal.ini
  
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